FF reliability and daily driver duty. Whose got some mileage on theirs?

what do the pads cost?
yeh I've heard 100k miles for rotors if not tracked

 

Really don't know, but that's an easy one to get: just call your dealership parts person and ask. The labor time is minimal: I've seen the guys swap out pads at the track on Challenge cars in less than twenty minutes.

 

yep - I guess that's the point though, the rotors shld and will last a long time and doing pads is no big deal.

 

I'm not sure that's quite accurate. The newest iteration of these rotors are in part pseudo-ablative, off-gassing from inside the rotor material as they heat. For some reason I recall the off-gassing to be silicon, but don't quote me on any of this: I'm just a user who sometimes pays attention to what my mechanics tell me, not an actual mechanic or engineer. Over time, the disks will degrade and eventually lose all that element which is being exuded, thus needing replacement. The onboard computers track the brake use and your dealer will check the remaining life of the discs at each service. Still, I would imagine they'll last 100K miles, which even for an FF is going to be a lifetime for most users.

 

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The rotors will wear with some variability (eg. track use, driving habits) but definitely projected at greater than 50K. Pads similar story, Eric's experiences are a good case study.

As a benchmark, if you agree that a "race track mile" is 10x street miles in terms of wear and tear, I went almost 6000km using race pads (i.e. more abrasive) before my rotors showed 100% wear....and then we used them for another 15% before we had to replace them. For the record, I'm a very hard brake user...

Track use, especially on a very heavy, very fast car (FF) just accelerates the wear, plus the number of heavy braking cycles (high pressure, high heat, long duration) obviously accelerates wear. I have never gotten a clear answer on the algorithm on the car, but likely a combination of miles, braking cycles and pressures.

Replacing pads themselves is 15-20min, perhaps longer if the tech is being careful. I would absolutely make sure you fully bleed the brakes at any pad change, it's cheap insurance to maximize performance. Last, proper bedding of these brakes makes a huge difference in their performance and ultimate wear characteristics.

Replacing 4 corners (rotors/pads) is a heart-stopping price, but it's rare. As a metric, the 2 questions asked when people are looking at used Challenge cars are 1) how many kms 2) brake life remaining and 3) crash history....in that order.

 

Like others have mentioned, replacement CCB rotors can be sourced from ZR1's for a fraction of the cost. You pay a premium for any oem items in the shadow of the Cavallino Rampante.

The other alternative is to switch to 2-pieces non-ceramic rotors, especially if you decide to track the car heavily.

 

You can private source the brakes without Ferrari - I just put FF new carbon fibers, complete brake system 6 piston calipers, calipers painted black for my wifes Mas F1 2009 GTS for all standard parts and Ferrari parts including a 599 brake booster for $15,000. Ferrari Atlanta did all the work because they are great with unusual deals and improvising or getting a few longer galvanize bolts for the wheel spacers - they are done but have not got bill yet but the point is there are ways to find ccs without going the Ferrari dealer way. I have run another Ferrari of mine hard on the track of and on for 9 years - I still have 70% life left in the cvs and 68% on F1

 

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Sorry I'm confused. You meant Maserati brake parts fit on your FF?

 

Ya that's what I'm wondering? And why change calipers... because you were trying to use Maserati size rotors?


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Pads on my Cali were $3,000 for the set, plus labor which it needed after 2.5 hours on the Mid Ohio race track during a Driver's Education event. I assume the FF are similar. The rotors are about $5,000 each for the Cali, assuming the same on the FF. I only have 18,000+ miles on my '14 since I drive my Cali T equally. The first FF that I had was driven significantly more. This one has an issue with the right variator that causes it to stall once in a while but otherwise is bulletproof. My first had a gear speed sensor go out after I sold it but my dealer has permission and training to disassemble the transmission. Rotors have a weight stamped on them and the computer will tell you when they need weighing, and replacement if they've lost too much weight.

 

I wonder how rotors' weight loss gets detected by the computer.

 

Dont think it does - it estimates based on driving style and then message pops up and shop will weigh the rotors

 

Confused Rick ... your first FF was almost 50k miles, on one set of rotors?
New rotors on the Cali T? From the track?

And these are dealer prices? $20k for 4 rotors and 3k per axle on pads?