It's very nice - I was looking at it yesterday! I can't but help noting that a 2015 car at £180k (which will have pano roof) seems better value than a 2012 car at £158k. What does everyone think?
I've come to the same conclusion it just seems logical to pay the extra and get a good two years of full factory warranty and much more of the 7 years servicing. I keep looking at the AVS car for this reason.
Both the AVS and Romans car look good value but neither are F dealers. But does it really matter with a 2015 car?
And although you are paying extra, it only works out as £8k per annum depreciation from these 2015 cars to the F dealers 2012. Less than you would suffer with a BMW!!
I kind of agree, I've been going through the same thought process, both are still in factory warranty so does it actually make any difference if neither are supplied by a franchise? I see that as more important once you're approaching 4 years old and need some sort of warranty extension. Is there actually any downside of buying something this young from a non F dealer?
^ It's this man maths that has lead to me to looking at FF's. Up until about 6 weeks ago I was all set to order a new S6 Avant. I bought an SL last year that's dropped £20K, it's a year old tomorrow and that was after getting almost 25% off list. I feel the 2015 cars make the older FF's look expensive. My only concern in buying at £180K right now is there may be a softening in the FF values once physical deliveries of lussos starts, so your £180K car actually ends up closer to £120K at 18-24 months when you come to trade in and after dealer margin.
Blue, Metallic Reds and Black cars are selling pretty much immediately, the Silvers and Greys tend to hang around, been the case with many of the V12's over the years. re the 2015 vs 2012 cars bear in mind that from a main dealer they'll come with 2 Years warranty (maybe a fraction more depending when a 2015 car was registered) and don't get too hung up with more years servicing, cost for an annual is around £900 so even with a few years more it's not worth that much. Very soon the value of these cars will not be based on the Year but mileage and condition, and perhaps very slightly variances on spec i.e. Pano roof. About the only time buying a later car makes sense is if it's outside the dealer network and you want to rely on a remaining factory warranty but even then good negotiation with a non franchised dealer could see them add 2 Years of factory warranty (cost to them is about £7,500 for 2 Years). I'd also warn you to do some research about some of the non franchised dealers selling cars, not all but some are not well known for selling Ferraris, some haven't been around very long and some even though they're known for selling Ferraris would never see my money You could argue that a 2015 car over a 2012 car in the dealer network with similar miles should only really have a few thousands of difference in cost as the few years free servicing is the only real difference btw if you're looking for a particular spec/ colour I'd be in touch with all the main dealers asking them to look out for you, my car didn't get to market and like so many will be traded soon against an incoming Lusso, the dealers will know about cars that will be coming up for sale a long time before they hit the market
Good thoughts, thanks. When I went to see the Titanio car at Meridien they did say it would come with 2 years warranty but said it was "their" warranty as opposed to factory. Are there different levels of warranty on these cars? i.e. to get extended factory is it something that has to be continuous from year 4 or can it be added at a later date as long as the car had full FMD service history?
Test drove one with pano roof and it did feel pretty special. I guess it transforms the car for anyone sitting in the back. I think it has to be a must if you plan on using the car a lot with passengers
That's kind of what I'm asking, I got the feeling it was something different. If it's full factory then the appeal of a younger car is less.
It needs to be sold as an approved car for the 2 Year factory warranty to be included. A factory warranty can be added at anytime up to 10 Years old but there's an inspection required and there must be some determination i.e. maybe missing service history that may mean it's declined. I'd be incredibly wary of a main dealer selling a car outside of the approved scheme, you'd have to ask why it does not qualify, whatever the answer I suspect it'll make you reconsider the car. generally 3rd party warranties are fairly worthless. The extended or approved 2 Year warranty is what they call 'Power Normal', it pretty much covers everything the 4 Year new car warranty does
Not sure what MM mean as all used cars up to 10 years have a Power warranty or similar terminology 2 years.
The market seems very static. I know it's winter but the same cars have been for sale for many months now without any price movement. I am beginning to wonder if prices have risen too high and killed off the second hand buyer. I got interested in the FF a few years ago when Chris Harris did a YouTube piece on buying a 2 year old one for £165k. That is no longer the case, and if anything, a 2 year old now should be even less with the arrival of the Lusso. Strange times.
I am baffled at the UK, nobody in my community seems to be "making anything and none are saving, real estate now hopeless. Its a mystery to me how super cars are holding up so well.
As they say on the other side of the pond, "askin' ain't gettin". With the cheap financing still available, few forced sellers to drive traded prices down with any meaningful volume. Less relevant for modern cars (particularly RHD) but more for real estae etc is the repricing effect from sterling weakness which supports prices. Will be interesting to see how this market holds up as the rate cycle swings upwards.
i think with real estate it is different because you never "really" have to sell. You can always keep the house and just rent it out. Cars are different, especially if you have a replacement car arriving or simply just fancy a change. I think FF used demand has been revived with the positive publicity from the likes of Chris Harris, Shmee etc, but part of that appeal was always the low price. If they start looking expensive, i think the demand will fizzle out especially as the Lusso starts appearing on the market.
It was Chris Harris, then Shmee that got me looking at these cars. Until then I'd just never considered one. The market here is so flat and the economy such an unknown for the next 12 months I decided to order a new S6 Avant as our daily and I'll see how FF's pan out over the next 18 months once physical deliveries of Lussos have started. I still look every day. Also when a nice car with a good spec comes on the market they are snapped up (the HR Owen car). I've figured out I simply have to have the suspension lift and front and rear cameras on one of these due to where I live. That pretty much removes all currently for sale in the UK right now.
Thats a shame but i hope you enjoy your new car. I am still looking and i have noticed that the black Redline car was reduced today but the mileage (32k) scares me - not because its high for me, but because if i put 10k per annum on it, i will be up to 50k in 2 years time...Somehow feel that the "value" has gone out of these cars now - maybe the cycle will repeat itslef with the Lusso so that you can get inot a newish car for a fraction of the new list price?
On the off chance, if anyone is interested, My UK RHD 2013 FF Black/Crema will shortly be for sale. 16,000 miles, very high spec.
