FIA announces ten-year engine freeze for F1.......wtf???

Its like using a 10 yr old laptop in 2018 LOL

your average Soccer Mom mobile will be more advanced than an F1 car by then

wouldn't that completely destory the whole reason for F1

I mean F1 justified its crazy budgets bcus they had the highest tech

so by 2017 F1 will be competing w NASCAR technologically ROFL

what a maroon

 

I just laughed out loud at work when I read this!

Almost sig worthy . . .

 

I know of the Ultima, but I doubt it beats a Caparo around a track simply because it doesn't create as much downforce.

But apart from that:

0-100 mph:
Ultima in 5.3 seconds
Caparo <5 seconds

0-60 mph:
Ultima in 2.6 seconds
Caparo in 2.5 seconds or as Clarkson would say: "...and that is faster."

 

If I understand this right, no team can change their engine for 10 years?

 

I'am not 100% but I have read the Ultima has blown off the Top gear track record..
Just remembered : http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17015

BTW good site this.. it is a Ultima GTR720 not sure of the spec not read enough .

 

All excellent questions. Would suck to be Spyker at this point - bottom of the grid for 10 years is now in the rulebook.

 

That wouldn't surprise me. It is a superfast car. But I'd love to see a Caparo do the Top Gear track with the Stick at the wheel.

BTW: If you come across any Ultima track times, I'd be interested. Despite its impressive straight line times, my feeling is, that a car with electronic aids like the Enzo would beat it around a track.

 

Not necessarily: This freeze is only for engine development, not chassis development. Spyker or new F1 India Team can choose whatever engine they want. Spyker used Ferrari this year. It wasn't the engine that put them at the bottom of the pile.

 

Sorry for getting of subject thread but:

According to Ultima’s director, Richard Marlow, the company has approached Top Gear on a number of occasions to let the Stig take the wheel of the GTR but have been repeatedly turned down.

So, with their very own benchmark driver at the helm, the independently figured time for the Ultima is so fast that, in a head to head race with a Ferrari Enzo, the 720bhp GTR would lap it every 12 laps.

He also announced that the British firm wouldn’t rule out further attempts at lowering the record still further, with their more powerful and faster GTR800 variant.

For the record, the Ultima lapped the track in 1:12.8, making the Koenigsegg's 1:17.6 seem positively pedestrian.

 

WOW!

I don't understand why Topgear wouldn't let them participate: Clarkson often tracks Nobles and praises them. What gives?

 

I dont know my thought's exactly...Impressive stuff though!! they can't touch Ferrari on the looks department Though

 

Oh really? So are you telling me F1 cars don't go faster than 180mph on tracks like Silverstone, Fuji, Indianapolis, Bahrain etc. Those don't look anything like Bonneville either...Also, in tests I've seen, it only reaches 180. Lets not forget that manufacturers sometimes exaggerate specs.

 

The Caparo T1 does 200 mph. What is your point?

 

Hey whatever, all I'm saying is that I've only seen it do 180mph. So on that basis, you don't have to go to "Bonneville" to reach those speeds, hell even if it did do 200 you still wouldn't have to go there.

 

Depends on which Ferrari you compare it with. The Ultima is better looking than the Enzo, which is fairly ugly by Ferrari standards - IMHO, of course.

 

The video from Youtube, that you posted the link to also states that "it can easily excess 200mph". In the video it does 185 mph.

 

The FIA statement actually says the development freeze is to be imposed on SOME OF the engine parts - not the whole engine altogether.

I don't think he was talking about straight line speed.

 

who says they couldnt build their own engine ?

all this statement seems to says is that the spec will remain constant
eg size, configuration, rev limits and materials.

now whilst i dont say this is a good thing - its maybe not quite as bad as ppl are making out.
for example n/a 3 litres were the main F1 engines for a lot longer than 10 yrs

 

Why does the FIA and everyone else use the expense argument? Wouldn't you think that if it were the richest teams who win Honda and Toyota would be a little higher on the grid? I think it's who you have on your team, draft with salary cap anyone?

 

Very lame. But I will predict on the record right now this will NEVER last. Ten years is a long time, for starters, both Mosely and Bernie could be 6 feet under by then. Second, with all the wonderful advances that will happen in the next 10 years, it will simply be impossible to ignore them. And the audience would basically demand it anyway, or simply move on. The corporate sponsors wouldn't like that! And they hold the key to the bottom line.

 

Read again;

"Total freeze means that there will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations."

I feel this is a bit more than just the specs remaining unchanged.


Edit - wait, what current regulations? Now I'm lost... are they just extending the current rules for the next 10yrs?

 

Dammit! Why can't the teams unanimously decide to fire this chump? And I was looking forward to turbo 4 bangers.

 

This is what really upsets me - not you of course, but the fact that Max feels the way you wrote above.

I ask - why in the hell should a small team have the same opportunity as a big one? If McLaren is obligated to sell their engine, why not obligate them to sell their aero and chassis too? I mean, Max wants to force the teams to sell the very thing they pay hundreds of millions a year to make, and he wants them to sell it to their competition for a below-market price. How is that fair? If the gov't told me I had to sell my products to my competitors so they could use them to try to beat me in the marketplace, and I had to sell to them below my cost, I would be furious.

When you look at the lesser funded teams... well, let's see... in the past 10 years or so you have Arrows which was an embassment (not even showing up to some races). Minardi who were constantly embarassing themselves on track and with Stoddart. ProDrive who looks to be DOA before they ever started. Spyker who came in for a year, did nothing for the car, and then bailed. Then you have in the past 10 years teams like Prost, TWR, Pacific - all small affairs and none of them stuck around.

Compare that to Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and the guys who have been in F1 long term. Why in the WORLD does Max want to piss off the big competitors who make F1 what it is in favor of these fly-by-night teams who come and go like the wind. Why? Will that Indian team that Spyker is becoming sitll be in F1 in 5 years? Doubt it. Will Aguri? Doubt it. Why screw the fans and the big guys to service the little small timers? It makes no sense.

 

Max is an idiot and is plainly mismanaging the FIA Motorsports body. He needs to go. I was hoping he would have stepped down after Indy 2005, but noo....he stuck around.

I've lost all respect for Mosley this season....he's been an embarrassment.

 

so, they don't develop the engines, there's no overtaking on track, basically a parade t/out the season, and they wanna do this shiit now?

edit : when will Max be leaving anyways?