FIA GT1 World Championship Round 4

You meant Mclaren smashed the 458?

 

Thanks for sharing.
Pretty ironic that with England's famous weather McLaren designed a car that doesn't work well in the rain.
First its doors with no handle stop working when it rains and this race shows that the car was terrible in the rain!

 

Someone who was there sent me this message. Is this wrong? The "race" you're speaking of was Qualifying. I believe the Championship race just finished and these are the results.

"Congratulations to the BMW Vita4One for a great win in the FIA GT1 World Championship Race Round 4, also the Hexis McLaren MP4 12C GT3 for a great P2 and the ALL-INKL.com Mercedes Benz Team for the P3 and complete the podium in Champions race/FIA GT1."

 

It's touchy and unstable at the limit in the dry also. Wet just brings it out.

 

Guys, fair is fair. I don't follow the races (wish that I could drive that well) but I did google the race for the championship results that can be seen at this link. I still prefer the aesthetics of the 458 and having the 12 C be faster, in a straight line or around any track, does not alter that perception for me as a consumer. I have no issue with those that prefer the 12 C over the 458 anymore than I would with someone that prefers a white 458 over my nero daytona. It's just what they like and they certainly have the right and should get exactly what they want. For my eye, the 458 is sexy,sleek and gorgeous.....the 12 C not so much.

http://media.gt1world.com/results.phpevent=4&season=2012&session=Championship%20Race

Results: 2012 Round 4 - Slovakiaring
Championship Race
Pos Car Class Drivers Car Time Laps Gap Avg
speed
1 18 GT1 Yelmer Buurman / Michael Bartels BMW E89 Z4 1:01:24.886 29
2 1 GT1 Frederic Makowiecki / Stef Dusseldorp McLaren MP4-12C 1:01:27.837 29 2.951
3 38 GT1 Marcus Winkelhock / Marc Basseng Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3 1:01:30.486 29 5.600
4 3 GT1 Filip Salaquarda / Toni Vilander Ferrari 458 Italia GT3 1:01:42.146 29 17.260

 

Correct The Ferrari 458 finished 4 the McLaren 2. The McLaren was beaten by a BMW that finished 1 and the Ferrari 458 was also beaten by an MB which finished 3.

At the Ring while we beat the McLarens we finished between the Vitaone BMW's one of which finished 1 here. At the Ring the 458's were very slow and didn't even start the 24.

I agree with you that choosing one over the other (street version) is personal preference.

If you want a faster race car so far I'd choose the McLaren both in GT1 and F1 where today McLaren finished 1 and Ferrari 5th.

 

The race results are irrelevant to the cars that people want. Drivers win races...not cars. (Exception 1976 Ford Pinto Hatchback vs. 2012 Ferrari 458).

 

http://gt1world.com/news/details/victory-puts-vita4one-racing-bmw-duo-top-of-the-pile

 

Hmm, this is a very erronous statement, as there was no competant team running the 458s at the ring,

At the 2011 event, when the 458gte was run by hancook, It took qualifying, and came 8th in the race just 4laps down non the winner..And that was with a brand new car, with lots of bugs, this years 458 gte is much faster(infact the only car in the ACO GTE racing that has been slowwed down by the ACO, while all the others hav recived haevt performance breaks).., and it's much more reliable as well..

FIA GT1 like GT3 is so heavily performance balanced, that FIA picks the winners with its BoP, the pace or race victoryes have very little to do with the racecars themselves...it's mostly down to BoP, then its a metter of who has a better ringer for the amatour driver

 

This thread is hysterical, where's the OP? cmon you have to at least come back and eat your crow. or are you too busy celebrating how alonso massacred hamilton yesterday LOL

 

Ah yes, the omnipresent Mac hardliners ready to take a cheap swipe over an innocent oversight.

It's easy to get excited by some positive results, let's face it GT1 is a tough battle ground and as Cavallino 458 pointed out the 458's are yeilding some results but why incur the wrath of other followers..??

Seems these days you need to tread on egg shells. Ferraristi's should be allowed to express their passion just as all the Mac followers should be encouraged to do so without all the barbs..

 

Nope this year the 458's were very slow and did not start the 24. That is fact.

It is also fact that the 458 GT 1's (Top Ferrari Team AF Corse) are in 5TH and the McLaren's are in 2 in the overall GT1 standings.

Pos Teams FRA BEL ESP Pts
1 ALL-INKL.COM MÜNNICH MOTORSPORT 28 21 36 85
2 HEXIS RACING 3 19 51 73
3 BELGIAN AUDI CLUB TEAM WRT 57 9 5 71
4 VITA4ONE RACING TEAM 1 28 22 51
5 AF Corse 20 15 2 37
6 EXIM BANK TEAM CHINA 2 29 0 31
7 REITER ENGINEERING

Ferrari hasn't finished 1 OA at Le Mans since 1965.

Think that's going to change this weekend?

 

+1. I think the Ferrari guys here are very tolerant seeing this is the 458 Italia section. The Mac guys have their own section as well as the Mac forum. I try to be fair but tire of their constant drum beating for the 12C. Geez, if you guys aren't 12C salesmen, go drive the 12C and enjoy. Seems like you feel that you have something to prove.

 

FIA GT1 like GT3 is so heavily performance balanced, that FIA picks the winners with its BoP, the pace or race victoryes have very little to do with the racecars themselves...it's mostly down to BoP, then its a metter of who has a better ringer for the amatour driver..

And unless the hand of god comes and swipes all the prototypes form the field there is no way for ferrari to win OA, cause it's racing in GTE..(where it did win Le Mans 2 years in a row 2008/2009, and cmae second last year with the brand new 458)...

The 458s you are refering to, in VLN, are run by ridiculous teams, and are GT3s not the much better GTEs... Like I said 458 proved its N-ring capability last year...and since the rules didn;t change that much, while the car heavily improved, it's safe to assume it would have been fighting for top finishes, if it was ran by a capable team, and driven by Ferrari Factory drivers, like all the other makes at the Ring are.

 

Some people post and some people race.

Those who race are measured by what happens between the flag dropping and the checker waving.

Your would have, could have, should have posts aren't racing nor do mean anything when the trophies are handed out.
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True. GT1 does have a odd twist with these qualifying races but the results of the round 4 Race and the GT1 standings to date don't in anyway show that the 458 GT1 is beating or faster than the GT1 McLaren.

Cheers

 

I have respect for what you are doing, and am sure you know buckets more about racing. But I would like for you to explain, and answer the questions a raised, if for nothing else, just for educating masses .

BTW for a guy who races, builds, and had a custom Ferrari made, you certainly don't have much love for the company in GT racing(even tho in the past 5 years it deserves nothing but respect) , can you share your revaluation..

 

I'm not sure what questions you've asked.

The OP posted:

" Guys for all of those who doubted (as if) the performance of the 458 v McLaren MP4-12C have a look at the GT1 race yesterday in Slovakia. 458 smashed the McLaren, Audi R8, SLS, Gallardo etc. Wish this comp would come down under!!!"

I and other's simply pointed out that in GT1 this qualifying race was not indicative of how the race turned out or the GT1 results YTD.

Both the 458 and McLaren are faster than me. Personally I like the way the 458 looks and would buy one over a McLaren simply for that reason. Looks are important to me. I wouldn't buy an FF simply because I don't like the way it looks. Everyone buys or doesn't buy what they want for their own personal reasons but thinking that the GT 1 results are somehow proof that the performance of a 458 is better than a McLaren remains IMO silly.

 

Ditto on the looks. But there is more than that wrong with the 12 for road use. Turbo lag; balky transmission operation; horrible ingress/egress; and Lord help you if you go slightly past the limit.

 

Speaking (not only) for myself, I don't give a rat's ass whether the 458 is the best of current racecars.

As I'm not a race-driver (and, judging by my limited driving capabilities, will probably never BE one), the thing that matters for ME is the way the car looks (WHAT A BEAUTY she is !) and the kind of feeling I get when taking her for a ride.

The car's limit is WAY beyond MY personal driving horizon.

That's it - call me simple, then.

And contrast to (so it seems) popular belief, the male sexual organ doesn't grow by telling others just how well your car did in the race there and the other one there in race-class X and race-class Y. Go ahead, ask the ones who know...

Cheers,
Ulli

 

+1, well articulated and probably sums up the inner thoughts of the majority of 458 owners. Thank you.

 

Ulli

The person who started this thread cited a race result and claimed it proved the:
"performance of the 458 v McLaren MP4-12C". The results of Round 4 and the standings in GT1 prove exactly the opposite of what the original poster thought they are.

That remains fact.