So multiple teams turned it do Horner the whiny spice had the party mode changed during the season lol. He forgets that in season change lol! Always whining. RedBull are going to win this season. What is his problem besides short memory and running his mouth
A row that started before the 2018 season start. And remind me, who complained about the Exhaust blown diffuser that led to it's banning mid season? And Remind me, who complained about the flexi wings and got them banned during the season? Funny how when Red Bull has a clever trick it tends to get banned during the season, yet whenever Mercedes has something it gets banned at least by the following year only or can keep it for as long as 7 seasons!
It's really starting to hot up now. Mclaren also starts to question the mid season rule change, and the floor support.... AMuS reports that Ferrari, Red Bull & McLaren are not only upset that the FIA is changing the rules mid-season to allow a second floor support. They also openly question how Mercedes had such a cable and the fixings to the chassis and floor to hand in just one day. Canadian GP 2022 - Analysis Training & Longrun Times | AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT (auto-motor-und-sport.de) So much for just "evil" red bull ''whinging''.
You don't find it somewhat weird that Mercedes managed to do that basically mid flight, in the parameters proposed not 24 hours before? You'd be singing a very different tune if Red Bull had that. Oh and since smart engineering thinks ahead, why are you advocating for this rule change?
“But I don’t think it’s correct that now they have to intervene and start applying these types of rules that if you can’t deal with the porpoising that you have to go up on the ride height. Because it’s very simple, just go up on the ride height and you won’t have these issues" Not much else to say ...fix it or raise your ride height for the sake of your driver.
Are these the same smart engineers who bollocksed up the Melbourne car? It’s amazing how smart they were to think of the exact rule change and solution prior to it being rolled out and implementing it 24 hours later. It could not possibly be that they lobbied the FIA to use their likely performance enhancing fix instead of simply changing their ride height. Mercedes Benz is far dirtier than Red Bull and that’s saying A LOT. Meanwhile, Ferrari can’t even make changes to their motor when they can’t finish a damn race. This “sport” is so damn corrupt.
The sad fact is that these teams went beyond what was legal, at one point or the other, creating a climate of mutual suspicion. At time they pushed the boundary and explored blured areas of the rulebook, or found solutions not yet covered by it. F1 has become an engineering contest between design teams. Engineers have fertile minds, sometime considering rules as obstacle.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-the-fias-f1-porpoising-clampdown-will-really-work/10324118/ How the FIA’s F1 porpoising clampdown will really work The Canadian Grand Prix weekend has been dominated by the ongoing battle that Formula 1 teams are facing with porpoising. Image Unavailable, Please Login By:Jonathan Noble Jun 18, 2022, 12:15 PM Image Unavailable, Please Login In the wake of an especially brutal Baku race for a number of drivers – with Lewis Hamilton’s back pain highlighting the battering some are facing right now – intervention by the FIA in trying to eradicate the problem has added a fresh dimension to the debate. In a technical directive sent on Thursday to teams by the FIA’s single-seater technical director Nikolas Tombazis, the governing body laid out its plans to fix porpoising and bouncing in a bid to try to help drivers. And although F1’s TD are never officially published, here is how the FIA explained its plan to teams for both the immediate, short and long-term future. Immediate car changes One of the main difficulties teams have faced in curing porpoising has been trying to maintain a stable aero platform as downforce levels increase on the straights. Matters have been complicated by some teams suffering from the floor edges flexing down as speeds go up – which leads to an increase in downforce levels. This in theory sounds great, but the reality is that the increased downforce accelerates the extent to which the car is pushed down on to the track, so therefore makes the porpoising worse. It was this issue that prompted the pre-season decision to allow teams to run a single floor stay to help strengthen the edges and limit the flexing. Image Unavailable, Please Login Mercedes W13 floor detail Photo by: Giorgio Piola From the Canadian Grand Prix, the FIA will allow two further measures to help teams make their floors stronger. They will be allowed an additional stay mounted further forwards of the one already adopted – which is something that Mercedes has introduced already. Furthermore, teams will be allowed an additional thickness on the floor’s top surface – even if this breaks local regulations on curvature or if it protrudes beyond the volumes defined in the regulations. If these changes do deliver a tangible benefit in helping address the porpoising, then the FIA will then propose a formal rule change that can be voted on by teams for approval by the World Motor Sport Council. Bouncing metric One of the things that the FIA wants to gather over the Canadian Grand Prix is whether a car can be determined to exhibit ‘excessive vertical accelerations’ as it bounces. This will be analysed first through both closer inspection of the patterns of plank and skid wear on cars – as well as the ways that some teams are reducing the wear of their skids. The FIA is also hoping to pull together what has been referred to as an Aerodynamic Oscillation Metric (AOM) – which will help it determine if cars are porpoising too much. Read Also: Leclerc questions why Ferrari’s efforts in taming F1 porpoising should be wasted Hamilton labels Mercedes F1 set-up experiments in Canada a "disaster" This will be achieved through analysis of a sensor already fitted to cars near its centre of gravity to help measure vertical acceleration with the hope that an AOM figure can be agreed to set a maximum limit. If this can be achieved over the next few races, then teams will be asked to calculate their own AOM over three consecutive laps in Saturday morning’s final free practice session while not using DRS (any laps not done at racing speed or following other cars will be discarded). Image Unavailable, Please Login Pierre Gasly, AlphaTauri AT03, kicks up some sparks Photo by: Carl Bingham / Motorsport Images With this figure in play, teams will have to stick with their ride height values, vertical stiffness and aero configuration for the rest of the weekend. The only exceptions to this will be raising the car up, if the weather changes, adjustments for cooling, tyre pressure changes or the adjustment of the front wing flap angle. If a team cannot deliver a set-up that meets the AOM figure, they will be requested to produce a set-up sheet with the lowest AOM it can and raise the static ride height by 10mm. Read Also: Verstappen: Wrong for FIA to change F1 rules mid-season over porpoising The penalty for not complying with the AOM number is clear. The FIA has warned teams that if cars bounce too much and go beyond limits laid down, then they will risk disqualification from an event. This would be done until Article 1.3 of the 2022 F1 Technical Regulations which relates to ‘dangerous construction’. The rule states: “The stewards may exclude a vehicle whose construction is deemed to be dangerous.” Should teams agree on the procedures for determining an AOM figure, which many within the paddock are sceptical of, then the FIA could try to deliver a metric for when the car is running on track. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sparks kick up from the rear of Lando Norris, McLaren MCL36 Photo by: Steven Tee / Motorsport Images Longer term changes Whether or not sorting the AOM is a success or proves unworkable, the FIA is determined to produce better rules for 2023 and beyond that eradicates the porpoising problem. It wants teams to support this push in CFD by testing potential modifications to the cars that could help reduce the propensity for the current generation of cars to bounce. As options that could be looked at, Tombazis wrote: “Geometries that will be investigated could include the raising of the floor edges, the reduction of the floor platform, the elimination of the front edge wing, etc. We are also open to the possibility of allowing further stiffening of the floor, via an additional stay, should this be deemed beneficial.” Talks are planned with teams at a forthcoming meeting with the technical directors with a view to starting the process for changes to come for next year.
We are talking about double standards and Mercedes' privilege, not necessity being the mother of invention. The fact of the matter is that they agreed to the rules, did a crappy job, and should have to pay the consequences just like every other team except them since 2014.
You may chose to crucify Mercedes in this instance. I am not their advocate, but all I was saying in my previous post is that the 3 top teams 'Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes) have been suspected of "cheating" in the last 5 years. Ferrari alledgedly tampered with the fuel flow rate, then had to pay a secret fine and spend 2 years in the dog house with reduced power. Red Bull was accused of aero infringements, and now Mercedes is blotting its copy book by looking for amendment in the rule book. I don't know about "corrupt", but it's definitely very political. Right now, the only team that benefits from that uproar is Red Bull !
Hold your horses, I said "accused of", or "suspected", I never said they were guilty. But F1 teams like to conduct media trials among themselves, don't they? That helps to destabilise and embarrass their opponents, but also poisons the atmosphere. .
How are you Peter? Send my regards to Janne , next time you're flying down to the Bellarine peninsula.
