Max has a point, I guess that’s bound to happen when you don’t play games like the MB team...
Max nails it. MB incapable of taking their chinning. Toto is the biggest ****** in the paddock surpassing even Marko which I thought was impossible. It’s embarrassing really. Work on next year’s car Toto.
Those Mercs looked good today. Maybe Sir Lewis should give up on his experimental setups and let the FIA dictate. Didn't get to run his Baku go-kart special and was all the better for it LMAO.
Amazing, isn't it? How is it possible that a car supposed to be so bad, labelled as "dangerous", can still get a podium?
Listening to the post race interview between Lewis's responses and Russell's responses.....Russell sounds more confident than Lewis does.....Russell is more analytical....Lewis is more feelings and emotions. Good race for Mercedes and on merit.
Yes LH is an emotionally driven human being. Will not change. George is more 'operator'. Good mix of skills for the team.
Perez did'nt qualify up to his usual level due to the rain. I honestly don't think Perez would have finished that far up the grid should he not had a DNF. Leclerc took grid penalties. So Mercedes finishing on the points for both drivers was ON MERIT. .
Agreed. Imagine if the Mercedes' top speed was only 180mph ... due to faulty, or at least non-competitive, engineering ... whereas all of the other cars were easily capable of 200+ mph. Would the racing world (competitors, fans, sponsors, etc) tolerate Toto lobbying the FIA for a speed limit of 180mph on all the tracks? "Why, we ALL know that driving faster is more dangerous!! We need to limit the speed to 180mph, for the safety of ALL drivers!!" Would anyone seriously believe such nonsense? (ok the analogy ain't perfect, but it's close enough)
Latest FIA meeting to be held before UK GP - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-set-for-fia-meeting-over-porpoising-solutions/10325630/ F1 teams set for FIA meeting over porpoising solutions Formula 1 technical chiefs are set to meet the FIA this week to try to find solutions to the championship’s porpoising controversy before the British Grand Prix, Autosport has learned. Image Unavailable, Please Login By: Jonathan Noble Jun 20, 2022, 9:10 AM Image Unavailable, Please Login The FIA’s intervention on safety grounds, to try to eradicate cars bouncing, triggered huge controversy over the Canadian Grand Prix weekend. Many F1 teams were annoyed at the late timing of the announcement, and there was confusion among a number of competitors about whether or not new bouncing limits were supposed to be in place for the weekend. Furthermore, the way in which the FIA only issued a technical directive, rather than formally changed the rules, prompted talk of a protest if Mercedes went ahead and ran with a second floor stay. The clash of opinions up and down the pitlane over the matter reached a head in a team principals’ meeting on Saturday, when Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff was left furious at what he felt was "‘pitiful" behaviour from fellow bosses in ganging up on him. With no consensus reached between teams in Montreal, the FIA will now try to move things forward when its single-seater technical director Nikolas Tombazis meets with F1 technical directors later this week. It is hoped that moving discussions away from the heat of competition over a race weekend will allow for a more considered approach in trying to put solutions in place. The topics of discussion are likely to involve analysis of the data that the FIA gathered on vertical oscillations over the Montreal weekend, and whether or not it is feasible to try to impose limits at some point in the future. Image Unavailable, Please Login Mercedes W13 floor comparison Photo by: Giorgio Piola The FIA also wants to gather information from teams about potential changes to the technical regulations for 2023 that could give them more scope to cure the porpoising issues longer term. This could include aero changes, revised suspension systems or even the unbanning of tools like mass dampers. Read Also: Verstappen suffered radio failure ahead of final Canada F1 restart Leclerc “frustrated” as ‘costly’ slow pitstop limits recovery to fifth in Canadian GP Hamilton: Canada F1 podium ‘overwhelming' after recent struggles After a weekend of tension over the porpoising matter, Wolff reckoned that it was important teams took the issue as seriously as they should. Asked by Autosport if he had faith that the politics could be removed from the debate when tech chiefs met, Wolff said: “I think the political manoeuvring that has been going on doesn't consider what is at the core of this topic. “At the core of this topic is that since the beginning of the season, race drivers have been complaining about pain to drive these cars: back pain, blurred vision, we're talking about micro concussions and people giving their feedback in literally every team. “This is something we just need to tackle: whatever the solution is and whatever technically can be implemented to go in that direction. “We need to be aware that this is not about cutting a winglet that is an advantage for a team, or a double diffuser. It is that all of us team principals and teams: we have the responsibility to not take this lightly.”
FIA/Merc underhanded dealings exposed again. Truly disgusting. Per Autosport: Horner said he was not impressed by the way in which the FIA got involved by releasing a technical directive on the eve of the Canadian Grand Prix as teams were travelling to the event. He also shared concerns expressed by other teams querying how Mercedes had been able to fit a second stay to its car so quickly, prompting conspiracy about whether not the German manufacturer had had advanced knowledge of what was going on. "There is a process of these things to be introduced," he said. "I think what was particularly disappointing was the second stay. "It has to be discussed in a technical forum, and that is overtly biased to sorting one team's problems out - which were the only team that turned up here with it, even in advance of the TD. So work that one out."
I am not defending Mercedes, but it looks that Horner is deliberately stirring the pot now. Teams keep bringing new parts and updates at different races all year round, but Horner takes exception about an extra stay tried on the Mercedes and treats it as if it was proof of a major conspiracy. FFS !! Let's be serious here, that "stay" looks like a simple length of metal rod to improve the stiffness of the floor edge. It's hardly an engineering breakthrough, nor a serious solution to Mercedes woes: it's a rather crude bodge improvised in a hurry !!
It was a amazing piece of engineering, is a game changer, would have had Merc 3 secs clear of RedBull. LOL
And completely missing the point: Merc brought a car to Montreal with illegal additional stays, expecting—for reasons unknown to other teams but somehow to them and then proposed by the FIA that same weekend—the stays to be legal. Probably because the FIA told our promised them in secret that they could use them?
I don’t like Horner however No, he’s not ‘stirring the pot’. He’s reacting in a very appropriate way to Mercedes corruption and polluting of F1.
The second part is correct, but not so much the first part. Wings still create lift even when the airflow is not laminar. What destroys laminar flow on a wing are minor pertubations. Ground effect is also ruined by minor pertubations. When the venturi sees a minor pertubation, such as the myriad of imperfections in the road surface (e.g. Baku) then the suction gets released and the car rises, followed shortly thereafter by renewed suction, rinse and repeat. this is analogous to porpoising in a F1 car Image Unavailable, Please Login
Correct.....the airflow stalls, or looses suction, in which the car rises then gets sucked in again.....only to stall once again.....hence the bouncing or porpoising effect.
You mean the same whiny spice Horner who would tell his drivers to complain loudly about bouncing if it was a major issue for them lol. Horner and Marko are classic manipulators of situations to their benefit. Hardly news lol !! Please post proof Mercedes own the FIA. It’s stated and nothing provided.
