First 100% electric Ferrari in 2025 - confirmed

Give it a little more time. Lithium can go 8 to 10 years or so and still hold up relatively well. But the time for EV owners to start having major issues is rapidly approaching (at least for those who actually put miles on their cars) - whether that be facing expensive battery pack replacements or simply failures in the EV motors themselves. In my experience, most Tesla Fan Boys live in some mythical world where nothing actually wears out from an engineering standpoint, but we all know that isn't real life.

Keep in mind, also, Teslas have only been in serious production since around 2013 and really only at meaningful scale since maybe 2017 or 2018.

I was just watching this video last night. I think we are going to see more and more of these kind of issues over the coming 5 to 10 years.

Ray

 

Wife's got a 2014 Tesla that we've owned since new. It's battery has degraded ~ 7% still perfectly usable, and at that rate it still will be for another decade. After that it will still be useful for stationary storage for another couple of decades and then it can be recycled. We have had some issues with it, but far less than any other ~10 year old car I've had, and most of them have not been with the EV system. (The biggest issue has been with the pop-out door handles) . My wife loves the car and wants to keep it for at least another 10 years. As a daily driver, its just a way better car than any gas powered car. Not having weekly stops at the gas station is wonderful, as is the very minimal maintenance needs.

 

You might want to check the coolant seals on the motors at that age. Leaking seals on the shafts can really raise hell with the bearings and the motor itself.

Also, Lithium batteries don't degrade in a linear fashion throughout their entire useful life, as you are suggesting above. You cannot extrapolate battery degradation over the next 7 to 8 years based on what has occurred over the previous 7 or 8 years. That's not how Lithium cells behave nor is that what is seen with Tesla as they age.

Here is a paper which talks about the chemistry and the mechanisms:

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2021/cp/d1cp00359c

You may not wanna read that entire thing, so I'll just post the graph that speaks to how batteries tend to degrade vs. charge cycles:

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At some point in the charge cycles, the graph decline becomes more rapid. On Teslas, this is said to start around 7 years (at least from what I have read). Here is an article which talks about it:

https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration

If you look at the charts presented in that article, you can see that around the 7 to 8 year stage, the chart drops a bit more rapidly. The article goes on to state:

They are suggesting for the first 7 years, you lose roughly 1% per year, but then in the next 3 years, you might lose more like an additional 10% of the battery.

Naturally how many miles you put on the car would be a factor. So would temps when charging and if you are always charging to 100% or not. I believe super charging would have an impact as well (compared to always slow charging at home), but not entirely sure what impact that has.

Let me see if I can find the video which talks about the seal failures on the motor. I think if I had a Tesla that was 7 or 8 years old, that would be more of a concern to me personally (as you say, even if the battery degrades, the car can still be useful, so long as the motors themselves do not fail).

Ray

 

Here's that video I mentioned, which talks about seals / brushes / bearings in drive units for cars such as the Tesla Model S:



Really interesting video. Jump to around 3:30 in the video and he talks about seal / brush failures.

I don't know how many miles you have on your Tesla, but for me - if I were a model S owner - I think it's the seals which would keep me up at night, as opposed to losing 15 or 20% of my range.

Ray

 

+1

My Toyota Pickup from 1990 has 455K miles on it and still going strong. Zero Lithium mined. You ain't getting more environmentally friendly than my pickup, I don't care how many Model Y's you buy haha.

Ray

 

Actually just realized I run a Braille G30 lithium battery in my pickup, now that I think about it.. so maybe not "zero lithium mined" haha. But a very small amount...

Ray

 

Watched this video last night also. I wonder if there will be enough demand for an all electric Ferrari EV by the time it hits market? Seems like EV sales are slowing down pretty rapidly these days (based on this video below). Most of these EV makers have supplies nearing 6 months and are still (or were) in the process of ramping EV production?

 

100% this

1000x

No a million.

 

I was lying in bed last night, before I fell asleep...

And for some reason, I was imagining buying a used Ferrari 360 and converting it over to fully electric, by installing either RWD or AWD electric Tesla drive units. At first I was thinking that might be sort of cool - all electric, super fast. However, then I started trying to imagine driving it on the road and what it would sound like and what that experience would be like. Mind you, one of the favorite Ferraris I've ever owned was a manual, 6-speed gated 360 coupe, so I was kind of imagining driving my old car vs. driving an all electric 360 version.

Trying to imagine driving a perfectly quiet Ferrari 360 with electric motors left me feeling very empty - like it would just be a very odd, flat experience. Don't get me wrong, I get the whole Tesla thing (big fan of Elon and all he's done). Even though Teslas maybe wouldn't be my first choice of cars to own for myself, I was considering buying my ex-girlfriend a Model Y for a while, just so she could tool around town and stuff. I mean, as people point out, when they are new, almost zero maintenance.

But trying to imagine driving a fully electric Ferrari, that is totally quiet, really made me stop and think, "what is the point of all this". It's like if Ferrari suddenly decided to make a Helicopter. Okay, great, but is that really necessary? Is that what Ferrari is about?

I used to drive my 360 and 458 mainly for the sheer pleasure and experience of driving those cars. It served as an escape from my busy day to day work life and always brought a smile to my face. Rarely listened to the radio.. just the motor. In fact, the reason I sold my 488 so quickly was because it failed to provide much enjoyment - sound was terrible; driving experience was off. I feel like an all electric Ferrari would be as unpleasant to drive as the 488 was. Yeah, it's a car; yeah it's a Ferrari - but it wasn't what a Ferrari has always been. At some point here, it just starts to feel more like any other car on the road; nothing special any longer.

An all electric Ferrari would be an interesting exercise for sure, but I just don't think an all electric Ferrari would be something young boys grow up dreaming about obtaining one day. I think, in the end, an electric Ferrari is going to end up being a car searching for a customer, not customers searching for it.

Now about that Cybertruck...

Ray

 

I'm checking back on this thread in 5 years to see how your wife's car is doing

Ray

 

Ray, you need a 599 or a 599 GTO!

 

Right? That's what I'm saying.

Ray

 

I had the same experience with the 488- it was monotone drone- regretted trading in my 458 for it. I solved the problem easily- I traded in the 488 and got an 812SF. The 812 is as close to perfection as it gets. Of course, I wanted the next new F car - the 812GTS- regretted it from day one- the seat position is more limited for my size(6’2”). Less comfortable for long drives destroyed the GT aspect of the car(but I love top down driving). I hope the F167 spider version fixes that issue- I’ll buy it in a heartbeat


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Yeah, the 488 sucks as far as I'm concerned. I also regret selling my 458 for it.

I test drove the 812SF and it's was a dream. I think if I wasn't in the process of selling my house and moving, I would have bought the 812 I looked at. Driving that thing felt great.

Ray

 

I took this pic last week in Maranello.
It shows the construction of the new Ferrari E-Factory.
The new building entirely devoted to the production of new Electric Ferraris.

Marcel Massini

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The expansion of Ferrari factory it’s amazing, actually other building are under construction but the e-building it’s the most imposing. Thanks for the picture

 

Mr.Massini,

Do you think they can recycle it after ten years from now ?

 

Since people survived the coming of Ferrari SUV aka Purr-o-sangue, then they will definitely survive the coming of an all electric Ferrari.

More importantly, Ferrari are the ones who can make the difference in EVs, I hope - maybe pioneer a distinct path of the development of EVs. There is so much room to fulfill all aspects of driving experience that are lost with the lack of internal combustion engine.

 

Ferrari will develop the Ferrari batteries which last a lifetime and charge in minutes and the Ferrari electric motors with real V12 sound which weigh a pound each and put out 500 hp per motor. Ferrari will charge a fortune and immediately setup a 3 year wait list with VIPs placed at the top and shortly after selling its 20 thousandth EV vehicle it will announce the limited edition EVery Speciale who makes 520 hp per motor and weighs 20lbs less but costs $100K more per motor and the standard model values will collapse.
Ferrari SOP.


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You’re deluded to think that an Ev in any form is good for the Environment. Life on Earth is based on a Carbon Cycle removing Carbon kills all life they call that Photosynthesis which is an equilibrium process that’s run for millions of years in environments with Partial Co2 concentrations 3 times higher than today’s values. To buy an Ev is act of Genocide, have you been to a mine compare this to a natural gas field. You can drive by oil and gas wells all over Los Angeles i challenge you to do so in area that has been stripped mined. Moreover I can operated a 100 year old candy press can you do that with an electronic piece of equipment.

People are sheep they do as they are told hopefully Ferrari creates a Ev full of toxic metals made from the exploitation of child labor.

 

Wow the shareholders will get hosed see how excellent vw Porsche does. I look forward to the day my Ferrari Ev travels at 55mph with a liberal fining me for speeding

 

I would look forward to discussing photosynthesis with anyone in a serious manner. Let’s discuss the climate it’s so called temptature, please do not bring your anecdotes of warming or cooling to the table. We can go the Great Lakes and witness global warming that has been occurring for the last 20,000 years. Don’t listen to a politician there the dummies that failed every science course and became an attorney.

 

But it’s established science we have 3 years to reverse the global warming or else!
It may be time to split the world into two camps - it would be akin to pictures of north and South Korea from space-
The global warmists will live in a place like North Korea- dark, cold, bereft of freedom where neighbors rat each other out for a morsel of insects for dinner and an average life expectancy of 67 years and travel to what little work there is on bicycles recycled from human excrement (most will “work” from home on their black market 20 year old cellphones and laptops since manufacturing is outlawed- complaining about complaining)
While the climate change deniers will live in a place like South Korea- full of light, freedom, CO2 producing cows and lots of high quality protein meals with a life expectancy of 85 years and lots of Ferraris, Lambos , Benzes and any other ICE car( or any type of car), real air conditioners and appliances which real markets and developers get to choose as the winners in the marketplace.
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The earth is on fire in Iceland it’s already to late: hybrids are cool but Ditch the Ev