First 100% electric Ferrari in 2025 - confirmed

Well, I was being a little sarcastic…. I just bought a 355 manual. Ridiculously slow compared to my other cars. But ridiculously fun to drive!

These cars are all impressive. I just get a laugh when folks split hairs over which is faster. [emoji4]


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It's a good point, though electrics will also eventually be just as fast on the track. They already are in many settings, especially in non-endurance racing. I understand your preference for ICE, I respect it fully, as I also love ICE. I also prefer stick shift. However, I would be lying to everyone here if I claim stick shift is faster in Formula 1. That's just how the checkered flag falls.


The best thing about this is even in People's Republic of California, our dear leader has not banned ICE until 2035, so my comrades and I don't have to worry. and if want something 'faster', a Demon is always there for the taking, NOW.

I got 'mine' already, 'grandfathered' in - yeah, it's selfish for sure. However, with not just Cali, but China, India, and all of EU in full concert, and I argue 99% of non-enthusiast motoring public disagree with my 'love.' That's on me though, as *I* choose to live in a place where the majority makes the rules. I could always move to Africa I guess.

Now for future generations, yeah - sorry, they out of luck - Talking to most kids, they prefer a robot to do driving for them anyways (that's been my experience.)

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Your criticism is 100% on point. I argue not winning since Iceman has hurt the brand considerably, and give credence to the notion that Ferrar is all show, no go.

Why we would want to double down on that?

We need to win yesterday, and our cars need to be the fastest (non limited*) road cars on planet earth.





*There will always be some upstart garage that makes some car go stupid fast, make only 20 of em' and sell for even more stupid price.

 

Now that the Porsche Taycan facelift has been launched and another version above the Turbo S is likely to come this year, that version will have more than 1.000 hp since the Turbo S now has almost 1.000 hp.

If Ferrari launches an electric sports car and not a FUV that car must have quite a bit above 1.200 hp. No chance that it will be slower than a Porsche Taycan that is first of all a four seater and second of all launched 1.5 yrs. before.

 

A chinese made EV with 1300hp for £100k is coming out soon - https://www.pistonheads.com/news/electric-vehicles/flamboyant-hiphi-a-lays-down-1305hp-gauntlet/47864

if Ferrari wants its first electric car not to be dated quickly i'd say 1600+hp is needed

 

I’d say it needs a flux capacitor and come standard with G suits for driver and passenger!


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Sadly I hear apple is massively involved with Ferrari now. They are working on the design of the Ferrari EV among other thing.
So looks like we are set for a soulless Apple Tesla with a Ferrari badge. Ferrari's future is now all but doomed. It least we now know where all the interfaces and haptic crap that no one likes is now coming from.

 

Doubt Apple “heavily involved”. Eddy Cue has been a Ferrari board director for many years. Ferrari infotainment UX used to be terrible and in need of modernisation. I don’t mind the haptic stuff - but some things would be better with combination of real buttons/switches. Doubt Apple involvement goes further than that…


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Correct it’s not Eddy Cue - it’s LoveFrom which was created by former Apple employees/consultants.

“LoveFrom, the design firm headed by Jony Ive and Marc Newson, has entered into a creative partnership with Ferrari.” September 2021.


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Ferrari Design team is not involved in the EV design at this time (Apple people current and past are)

 

Not like Apple people actually have any experience bringing an EV to market successfully anyway…


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Well it has recently been discuss in the 812 replacement rumors. This info have come from members in the in the know

 

So as a driver of the Taycan 4S over the last year I must say its a great DD. Super quiet comfortable, drives like a Porsche etc etc. BUT - now here's the BUT, I have ZERO attachment to the car. It has no emotional feel to it and you almost treat it like an appliance. Its also at the top end of EV's and thats where I think I made the mistake. I should have just bought a mid-priced EV to DD.

So going forward and with Porsche, Audi, MB coming to market with well priced "disposable" EV's I would not spend on a high priced EV as personally its just a disposable item like an iPhone.

If someone or some company can help me "bond" with EV's get them to become "valuable" to me great but so far I cant see it happening. Sad really as Ferrari will spend a bomb on this thing and it wont sell IMO.

 

I hope they don't do fake sound, or if they do, there's an off switch.

 

Even better- a self destruct switch ( must be a CO2 neutral self destruct!)


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100% agree. I purchased a Model S Plaid since I couldn't stomach spending almost double for a Taycan when I consider both to be disposable appliances. These things provide utility, not emotion. The second hand market for EVs will be interesting to watch as they become more mainstream.

 

I spent a day driving my friends Taycan Turbo S - it's everything you said. When I went home, I never looked back, longingly, wondering how do I get one of these in my life... instead I just went home. I was impressed, I thought it a nice looking and cool, fast, good handling, car. But zero emotion. Ferrari is based on emotion. So it will be interesting to see how they tackle this.

 

Ferrari will become like rolex who feared battery quartz, but now still make mechanical watches very successfully. If theyre smart they stick with evocative Ice, and then do some electrics where they have to. However with he eu now accepting sustainable fuels as an option liquid fueld cars should be around for decades to come.

Ferraris are not transport, theyre emotive motive art. As to power speed, no ice car is going to compete in acceleration to 100 mph with a 1500hp quad motored electric. But if you've ever driven hard on track or a mountain road, its also clear no electric can remotely compete, its a weight and endurance thing.

Two different forms of propulsion two different purposes. If ferrari can make a suv they can do an electric, but they would be fools to abandon ice.

 

if ferrari aren't as fast/faster than the sports cars that are availible then people won't buy them

 

Not true, define fast.
20 laps round a track a Gt3 will beat a 296 simply because of fade. In fact the GT3 is not porches "fastest" car it is its most desirable and evocative.

Motorcycle manufactures figured out 20 years ago that more power and acceleration wasn't going to sell bikes, rather bikes that stirred the emotions and worked in the real world with more than plenty power were the way to go.

BTW ferrari doesn't make the fastest cars now, Maclaren does. Ferrari makes really cool Gt cars that are ersatz race cars for older well heled clientele to use on the road.

Imo Ferrari should be making a car similar to a Gt3, light raw evocative and a player on track. Between that and F1 they will have more than enough cred to sell all those Gt cars they make.

Its a fact though that when they make an electric sportscar, for 2 laps at least it will be faster than anything else they make by a fair margin. My casio keeps better time than my rolex. Faster is simply not always the answer esp as were in an era of extreme unusable speed.
By all means make some FXX to the the notional fastest, by all means make some hyper fast electric, but the core of the brand and sales will be the evocative sportscar, abandon that at ye peril.

 

.....something is driving their stock to $500/share and beyond....

Maybe they have developed a complete simulation of ICE “feel/sound” characteristics in their coming electric/hydrogen fleet?

As next generations perspectives on driving (and displays of wealth) evolve,... it will be interesting to see how Ferrari and other exotic car mfg’rs avoid a “Harley Davidson” fate.

I continue to live and participate for the ICE era, but electric or hydrogen is the future and for many reasons. Not all of those reasons I am comfortable with either. We will have to wait and see how it all plays out.

 

Todays market offers a clue. A Gt3 Rs is 100k over list and then some. A new 175 miles 296 on BAT was only bid to 20k below list.
The trap harley fell inot is thye made only one style bike.
Look at Triumph, they have their retir classics, bikes with the style of old but reimagined as singer does with cars, so clean classic style more than adequate performance.
Look at BMW they make arguably the best sportbikes but that is not their top seller.
Same over at Ducati

You need to offer cutting edge, but volume and desire actualy comes from retro classic reimagined.

People are buying these machines on emotion, as you point out different generations may glom on to different things, but still around central themes.
Whats interesting when you look at watches, those younger with the $ go for a grand seiko, a very understated yet still mechanical watch.
Rolls elctrc crar is still very muc a rolld with big grill wood dash and not too many screens because buyers still want rolls not a tesla.

At ferrari the central elements are italain style and performance. arguably Ice. im pretty sure ferrai can and will do a great electric car, and as most Ferraris don't drive too far range will not be an central issue.

However the market is nto just one thing, witness the pursongue.

Farrah would at its peril abandon ICE, in fact i can see them going back to also building a more basic ice car.

once again lets look at porche the masters.
They did suvs when everyone thought it would be a disaster and destroy the brand.
Yet while the suv is the volume for them they have not abandoned the 911 which is the core of their brand and fundemtaly supports sales of the suvs..
They probably didnt need to do the Gt3, but once gain, that car gives the rest of the 911s street cred, and frees them to be gt cars.

While porche feell for the tubo more hp fad, we cans see that from 2027 on the 911 is returning to a na format. There's a reason for this, it relates to how the cars drive feel and sound, in the end that's a major sales point in this segment. The 4cylk boixter was a damp squid, they pout a na flat 6 bask and it took off.
At the same time porche is going to make the cayman all elctric. Theyll offer all choices and well see how the market feels.
Im guessing just as they still offer a stick, theyve figured out that a big segment of the real sprtscar market wants ice, it wants na and it wants the option of a stick.

I look at ferrai roma, stunning looking car, classic design proportions then I look at the interior all digital dash and think nah. Speed and revs should be dials, and those dials shoudl liik like watch faces fine jewlery.

Not to say the 296 is not a great car, but ferrai would do well to offer a simpler version without the elctrics and complexity more like the race versions for those not just buying on numbers.

They are a brand, a luxury brand, there are a number of segments within that space, from suvs to purist cars. Somewhere in there are elctrics too, and hybrids, its not all one thing, theyre also ceding large segments to porche in the enthisiast space ,and I think the air at 500k is getting pretty thin. Theres oly so many places to go, if diucati had only done uber sportsbikes where would they be.

Fearri does have a harlkey problem, not least because they primarily make old mans GT cars. Young people jusyt starting up the sucess ladder BTW are buying every Honda CTR(manual only) they can get their hands on.

 

any order a 296 GTB from Ft Lauderdale?

 

I agree Porsche’s core is the 911 and using the other vehicles to support its core brand
Ferrari’s problem is its core is the NA ICE with few exceptions. Yes you have Italian Style and emotion but it has always been centered around its V12 and V8.
Porsche realized a long time ago its air cooled engines had to go and it worked- more performance with the same car and personality.
Ducati did it with its V twin going to V4 for more performance but the V twin is still going strong for those who want adequate performance and emotion.
Ferraris have always been about the motor/ the mechanical feel, the sound and the performance. The risk losing the sound (already have) and feel as the up performance with turbo/hybrid/EV. Let’s hope they have a secret sauce somewhere to make those modern motors evocative


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I think we’re kinda agreeing. The point I’m making is one powertran cannot be all things.

while a Ferrari ev is inevitable due to legislation if nothing else, Ferrari should also revert to na and even heavens forbid a stick option. As with Ducati customers can then choose the flavor they like.
Electric, turbo hybrid prob fastest on road and lightweight more basic na raw car for the sporting enthusiast and trackday person. That then is a full range and allows Ferrari its full usp.

porche is doing exactly that with the various 911 options and a nev bev cayman.

sustainable fuels are now accepted in the eu and USA is restricting not banning ice. There is no reason for o abandon ice and bev will undoubtedly be a part of the market.

ferrari sits above porche in price style and also dynamics, no reason not to offer the full range of powertrain choices