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  1. WILLIAM H

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    Japan has the advantage because their spacecrafts can always turn into fighting robots when challenged by foreign, or alien sattelites.
     
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    Well what would you do if Godzilla was always attacking your hood ? :)
     
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    I think NASA has a knose in everything space, but they just don't do it in this country cause of too much politics involved in the money spending
     
  5. WILLIAM H

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    NASA has nothing to do w the Chinese space program. The Chinese will be eating NASA's lunch soon
     
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    I don't think it's that bad. Remember this mission from 2001?

    http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/near.html

    Humans really can't afford to have duplicative space races anymore. There's too much to do and even the solar system, let alone the universe, is too big. We go and land on an asteroid. Japanese try a sample return mission. We try an asteroid diversion mission some day, etc.

    And in the meantime, we've also been sending rovers to Mars, atmospheric probes and orbiters to Jupiter (Galileo) and another mission to Saturn (Cassini). Not everything works all the time, but we're still trying.
     
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    Yes it would be great if they could all co operate , The ISS was good as far as co-operation unforetunately it turned into a giant stupid pointless pork barrel

    Alan Shepard's Mars Cycler spacecraft would definately be something worthy of International co-operation
     
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    So true!

    Take a look at what the new moron at the top of NASA doing....he is trying his best to hurt the best performing lab in the country, JPL. Now they want to send a man to the moon just because the Chinese are going to do it...sheesh!

    Forget NASA, watch out for a company called SpaceX. This company will be a monster.
     
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    I think the new NASA guy has a good idea, a Moon base makes a lot more sense than the shuttle & the retarded ISS.

    The original space station plan called for a dry dock so large manned spacecraft could be assembled & fueled there on their way to Mars or wherever. Congress killed that in all their lack of wisdom

    a Moon base could be largely built from lunar resources and wouldnt be too different from a base on Antarctica once they got a hydroponics lab up for food, water & oxygen + a few more basics of course.

    Large spacecraft can also be built on the Moon which is probably a lot easier than building them at a space station to begin with. Ideally these spacecraft will someday be built w 100% lunar resources to cut the high cost of importing material from Earth to the Moon
     
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    I have to respectfully disagree on many points made by you.

    First, Moon mission does not mean no shuttle or ISS. The shuttle has served us extremely well even though the benefits of ISS can be debated. If you factor in the cost, ISS and shuttle will be chump change compared to the Moon base.

    Now about the Moon base. You will need lots and lots of energy and water. Well we have water, photosysnthesis, and fossil fuels here on earth to solve the food and energy problems, what do we have on moon? So far I have not see a single credible proposal for a self sustaining base on the Moon.....not by a LONG shot. I am not saying it cannot be achieved, but I have not seen one yet.

    My original complaint about NASA moon mission was that they are focusing on moon because of china and not because it is on their agenda.
     
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    The fundamental difference between the ISS & the Moon base is that the ISS turned into a political pork barrel & is unsustainable. DC has all but abandoned it which is wise since the ISS became a mere expense & not an investment in the future

    A Moon base on the other hand is an investment in the future, not an expense.
    There is strong evidence that there is water ice on & deep in the Moon. If this is true then we can make air & water & rocket fuel on the Moon. Also the lunar regolith makes an excellent concrete & a natural barrier against radiation
    as for energy the Moon has abundant solar energy plus much greater quantities of H3 than the Earth, this can be used for nuclear fusion once that technology becomes viable
    The Moon is also rich in a variety of minerals that can be used in future lunar factories

    A Moon base after all is nothing more than the seed from which a lunar city will 1 day grow

    The ISS obviously has nothing similair to the resources the Moon has
     
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    Heres what a few minutes research on Google turned up about establishing a Moon base & mining the Moon for resources such as water, Helium 3, precious stones, titanium, aluminum etc

    The easiest way to power the base of course would be to just send up a Nuke reactor, no worries about where to store spent fuel rods on the Moon :)

    http://www.permanent.com/l-mining.htm

    http://www.freeluna.com/homemoon.htm

    http://members.nova.org/~sol/station/moonmine.htm

    http://www.asi.org/adb/02/02/

    http://www.kent.ac.uk/physical-sciences/RePh/Lunar%20Colony_website/
     
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    The JAXA mission has been the 2nd asteroid mission that Ive heard of

    The 1st was by JPL and they landed a spacecraft on an asteroid.

    JAXA's Hayabusa is a sample/return mission w a tiny sample

    Next mission should be to bring back a larger sample

    Eventually we'll see missions w multiple robotic ships scanning the asteroids for water, gold, platinum, prescious stones, and other valuable resources

    Then we'll see limited mining which will eventually reshape the entire human economy

    Good Stuff :)
     
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    Youse guys are still missing it.

    No off-world colonly is going to pay taxes to D.C. for long. Why would D.C. put public money into building one?

    The whole point to NASA is to keep private industry from grabbing the ball and running with it.

    As long as people believe that space belongs to the guvvmint, it keeps "wee the sheeple" inside the tax basis.

    NASA: No Active Systems Aloft.
     
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    True, yet that didnt stop the Roman or British Empires from creating and eventually losing colonies

    NASA is losing its grip as many privateers are joining the Astronaut ranks like Rutan, Branson, SPace Dev, Space X etc

    and dont forget the Chinese, if the US doesnt start a Moon colony the Chinese WILL

    Fact is we need new places for resources. With the US & China & Europe all consumin without end we need new sources of water, aluminum, titanium, energy, gold etc and the Earth isnt making any new resources while we are certainly making new baby consumers every day

    Sheeple, ugh, this is why the govt dumbs down our education system so they can control the dim witted masses
     
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    William, when are you going to buy NASA?!
     
  19. WILLIAM H

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    NASA stinks, I'm buying the Starship Enterprise :)
     
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    William did you write a letter to popular science about this topic somewhile ago that they published? I thought I read an article with your name in it somewhere regarding this very same topic.
     
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    Could be I write to magazines often when they annoy me :) Ive had a few letters published in TIME, R&T, Automobile, & WORTH that I recall
     

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