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Discussion in 'New York Tri-State' started by anil871, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. noahlh

    noahlh Formula 3

    Aug 28, 2003
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    BTW, Joe, I have to call you out on this. Huge pet peeve of mine -- that is ALWAYS the excuse parents give for putting kids in Explorers, Hummers, Expeditions, insert-big-obnoxious-SUV-here. Just because it's big and heavy doesn't make it safer -- your kid is just as likely to fly through the windshield after he hits a tree going around a curve too fast in a Hummer as he is in a Porsche/Lambo/whatever. Heck I've personally seen more people walk out of crashes in GDC cars (a Gallardo t-bone total and a Ford GT total), and need I remind you how many people have walked away from 100+mph Enzo crashes (Dietrich anyone?).

    I wish people would give up the "Awful big SUVs are good because they're safer" line of thinking...it's just wrong...

    nlh
     
  2. MattF NYMC

    MattF NYMC Formula 3

    Oct 26, 2006
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    what about my old H1? :)
     
  3. Ferrarispeed28

    Ferrarispeed28 Formula 3

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    #28 Ferrarispeed28, Sep 26, 2007
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    Yeah your H1 was nuts. What a heavy car. Your H1 was the first hummer I had driven and I have to say the power was lacking lol an the brakes were bad

    I am sure it was an experience and people thought you were a drug dealer. Oh and don't you miss parallel parking it?
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  4. MattF NYMC

    MattF NYMC Formula 3

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    damn, that hummer was PIMPIN!
     
  5. Ferrarispeed28

    Ferrarispeed28 Formula 3

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    It sure was! I am sure going to the gas station almost everyday must have sucked. It's hilarious how much Matt Hill would drive your car but damn he probably drives your mini a lot anyways. Is he still with Porsche?
     
  6. rr87

    rr87 Formula Junior

    Apr 19, 2007
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    I think it sucks that "almost" everyone now has this point of view of buying huge cars for safety. Why not buy a small car? Drive it carefully (which will make it HARD to have a car accident), save gas and save money. I had a Geo Metro (3 Cylinders) and drove it for about a year and never got into an accident...what I am trying to say is the following: a first car doesn't need to be that ridiculous Hummer...that here in NY Tri State area are never actually used to what they are built for OFF ROAD. Also giving young people a Hummer or a big car will get them used to never respect small cars on the road. Because big car owners don't give a f*ck about small cars...:(
     
  7. smooth

    smooth Formula Junior

    Nov 4, 2005
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    Hey kid, don't worry about someone insulting your parents; you are obviously (by your actions) the biggest insult to them. LOL.
     
  8. Ronbo

    Ronbo Formula Junior

    Aug 2, 2005
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    I mostly agree with you - it's at least as easy to be unsafe in a large car as a small one - but I think it's hard to dispute that physics favor the SUV in a crash. I mention this only because I happened to hit a deer yesterday. I was glad I was in my Escalade and not in, say, the Camry I just bought. Nevertheless, there is no way I would put an inexperienced driver behind the wheel of my SUV. It is too big and too heavy. Driving it safely is challenging for anyone, and nearly impossible for a newbie. My oldest is still a couple of years away from driving, but one of the reasons we got the Camry was for his future use. I had heard that parents were buying their kids big SUVs and I thought it was an urban (well, suburban) legend until I saw it myself. It's completely irresponsible.
     
  9. G-Gore

    G-Gore Formula Junior

    Jun 13, 2004
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    I have to agree that SUV's are not meant to be driven without experience. I was a witness of a flip over of an SUV in slow, afternoon traffic. Lady, doing 40 mph, decided to change the lane and realized in very last moment that there was a car on her left, blocking her. She cut the wheel to the right too hard, the car start flipping and she wasn't able to correct it. In 3 moves she flipped the SUV in the middle of 3 lane highway.
     
  10. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

    Feb 15, 2001
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    Let them drive what they can afford. So if they buy the car and pay the insurance then they can get what they want. You only respect what you earn. As for a new driver getting a speed , well time to pull the licence for a while. Even if the courts don't a good parent should. Try spending a few days with an EMS or wrecker and you'll see the results.
     
  11. Voytech

    Voytech Karting

    Jun 28, 2007
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    I look at it like this. On the receiving end, yes the SUV is probably safer than an econobox. On the giving end, it's a murder weapon.
     
  12. C6DVL

    C6DVL Formula Junior

    Jul 28, 2005
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    Contact Dennis P. Biancanello @ 516-741-7015
    [email protected] the best out there. He got my 4 tickets thrown out of Court (burn out on the NYU Toy run)

    mention Ed w/ corvette, burn out, Yorktown HTS Court
     
  13. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

    Jul 22, 2004
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    I disagree, as I see several others do as well. Face it, large SUVs are inherently unstable vehicles. They are far more prone to roll-over than are cars. And knowing how to handle an SUV in an emergency situation can make the difference between rolling it or staying upright. The normal reactions of most drivers behind the wheel of an SUV will cause them to go over in an emergency avoidance situation. Plus, most big SUVs weigh a heck of a lot more than a car, so controlling them, stopping them and keeping them right side up takes experience and skill. Unfortunately, anyone -- kids with freshly minted drivers licenses, soccer moms, multi-taskers, etc. -- can get behind the wheel of one of these monsters, no special training required, and go out there and drive.

    How many of the folks here who drive SUVs have taken a safe driving course to learn how to handle an SUV in emergency situations? I have. How many of you have even bothered to take even take that SUV out to an empty parking lot, set up some cones, and practice emergency avoidance to learn how your truck handles? I have. Most folks think that because they have a license, they can drive anything. And kids, who think they are invincable and will live forever and believe they are "hot ****" are even more prone to driving irresponsibly and not to have the skills necessary to get themselves out of trouble in those emergency situations.

    The one thing that a decade and a half of track events, auto racing schools and high performance driving on tracks around the Northeast has taught me is that you must respect speed. Going fast on a track is dangerous, but it is a controlled environment. The same is not true for the highway. There are too many things that are unpredicatable on the street, in particular the other drivers.

    I'd much rather be in a safe, good handling car than a lumbering SUV anytime. And the myth that big cars are safer than small ones is just that -- a myth. Just look at the test crash results on survivability. Remember, most big SUVs are considered trucks, not cars, and lack the safety features most passenger cars have these days.

    'nough said. My work here is done.
     
  14. Bavarian Motorist

    Bavarian Motorist Formula Junior

    Apr 10, 2007
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    If you didn't get on radar, how the hell did he know how fast yuo were going?


    Oh, he didn't.


    I forgot that cops are supernatural beings and can determine speed just by merely looking at the car.


    Take him to court and you should be a very pleased man.
     
  15. LAMBOJOE

    LAMBOJOE F1 Rookie

    Nov 2, 2006
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    You like to argue that's good :), i should have used you in my nj court case the other day.



    Peace
    Joey
     
  16. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Hummer has passive security . Porsche has active in the way that its an amazing handling car and will get out of situations that a Hummer will never be able to .
     
  17. LAMBOJOE

    LAMBOJOE F1 Rookie

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    yeah but in a 40 mph head on collision what would you rather be in a Porsche or a hummer.
     
  18. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

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    As Don Pardo always says at the end of Len Berman's "Spanning the World" sports segments, "See you next time.... If there is a next time." ;-)
     
  19. Voytech

    Voytech Karting

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    It depends. If the head on is with a wall, i'd pick the porsche. Think of all the weight that's pushing you into the wall.

    Head on with a car.... not so sure there. I think still the porsche would give me more of a chance to avoid it, or lessen the impact.
     
  20. LAMBOJOE

    LAMBOJOE F1 Rookie

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    haaahaaa lol hope to see you in a meet rather then in a court room defending me. :D
     
  21. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

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    Sounds like a plan. Are you coming to the FCA track event at Pocono Raceway next Tuesday? You want to see what that Lambo can do, that's a great place to do it. Fly down the main straight, through NASCAR turn 1 and get on it full throttle, and you get some nice speed going down the back straight to the tunnel turn. I'll have the Vette up in the 150 to 160 range. Your Lambo should hit even higher than that.
     
  22. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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  23. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

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    I must be old cause I remember when HUMMER meant something else.
     
  24. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Point of my post :

    Big SUVs or Trucks dont necessarly mean better safety than smaller cars.

    See crashtest of Pick up . Compare it to crash test of say , a Renault Megane..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLThtFYdcMo&mode=related&search=

    You will always find something bigger on the road than . What would you rather be in a hummer or a Bus ? a Semi truck ? Id rather avoid the crash .

    If we all think like that , then we ll either end up driving tanks or stop driving ..
     
  25. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Che cazzo !
     

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