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FISI vs. WEBBER

Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by Mike360, Mar 20, 2005.

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Who was at fault....

  1. Fisi

  2. Webber

  3. Both

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  1. Mike360

    Mike360 F1 Rookie

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    Just saw the race. Fisi was in the total wrong. He didnt have the rear grip and he went in way too hot on the dirty line and then he claimed that it was not his fault.

    Shoot the bastard.....
     
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  3. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    Let's see if the drivers will do the same with Fisi vs. Webber as they did with MS vs. NH.
     
  4. imperial83

    imperial83 F1 Rookie
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    This is going to set a completely wrong precedent.

    Every time there is a race incedent or accident there is going to be a mafia style sit down and every one will enjoy making a mockery of the driver or drivers at fault.

    It is turning into a circus... the media, the fans, the audience and now the drivers have to vote one who is at fault.

    WHAT THE HELL ON EARTH DOES THE FIA DO?!?!?!!??!

    Anyway... what goes around comes around... Fisi and Webber should get the same response that Michael and Nick's incedent got. Then they will realize how truely idiotic this is.
     
  5. Turb0flat4

    Turb0flat4 Formula 3

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    I was hard put to decide this. Fisi had the inside track and I think his nose was ahead of Webber's; nevertheless, the fact remains that it was Fisi who lost traction and caused the crash.

    On the whole, I think the blame should be 70 % Fisi, 30 % Webber, but it's sufficiently fuzzy that the thing can be written off as a no-fault racing incident.
     
  6. Mike360

    Mike360 F1 Rookie

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    Actually, Webber was in front at the start of the corner...

    This wasnt a racing incident, it was a clear hack.

    Very "Sato-esque"
     
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  8. imperial83

    imperial83 F1 Rookie
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    I do not know what race you were watching but that was not a racing incedent. The FIA is asking for a disaster by not dishing out penalties on the track.

    They want the drivers to sit down and decide the punishment. Of course everyone wanted to jump on Michael after the race incedent in Australia... but now no one wants to dish out the same treatment to Fisi and Webber. I hope that those two idiots get whats coming to them in another mafia style sit down.

    Then they will realize how stupid this driver mandated apologies are.
     
  9. Turb0flat4

    Turb0flat4 Formula 3

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    I have to watch the incident again, but what I stated were my initial impressions. I could be wrong.
     
  10. Turb0flat4

    Turb0flat4 Formula 3

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    I agree that that is a dumb turn of events. Penalties should be firm, no-nonsense and handed out by the governing body, full stop.
     
  11. F1racer

    F1racer F1 Rookie

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    Its really too bad.
    Webber had a great race and Fisi too. After the first pit stop, Fisichella's car was understeering everywhere and there was no grip at all.
    This is what Fisi said about the incident.
    "As for the collision, Webber got past me into turn 14, then I overtook him again on the straight afterwards. I was ahead, and he was on the outside when he took his line into the corner. As I was braking, the rear of the car slid and Mark had left no margin for error, so we collided. For me, it was a racing incident."

    I agree with Fisi. He had to opportunity to overtake and that's what he did. Like he said the car had no grip.
    When Mark stepped over the debris on the straight, Fisi was ahead and Mark decided to stay side by side. It was a great battle, too bad it ended that way. Fault: Fisichella and Webber .
     
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  13. F1racer

    F1racer F1 Rookie

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    Everyone except MS and RB is a idiot or a retard? I don't get it.
     
  14. PSk

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    Sounds like REAL motorracing ... what's the big deal. Let it be before passing is completely banned!

    Pete
     
  15. imperial83

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    You must really hate Michael and Ferrari. When Michael's race incedent occurred you were up with pitchfork and a torch... now it is "what is the big deal"! WOW!
     
  16. moretti

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    Imperial, while applauding your zeal for the Scuderia your tinfoil hat is falling off and the paranoia is getting to you :D

    Chill dude, we all want Ferrari to win but a bit of excitement along the way doesn't hurt does it ?

    At least it's not like it was years ago when we KNEW Ferrari couldn't recover and we all waited for the season to end so that next year might bring some hope.

    I think JT may have taken his eye off the ball since becoming el Presidente but will surely redress this very soon.
     
  17. Mike360

    Mike360 F1 Rookie

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    Ahhh come on!! Where's the Aussie spirit??? :D

    *Chants* Webber...Webber...Webber....

    I am ultimately going for Mark, but i do wish that Ferrari would get their act together. But i think that it is Bridgestone with the problem IMO
     
  18. Admiral Thrawn

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    :)
     
  19. imperial83

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    Excitement... excitement... we had over two decades of excitement... I do not want to have anymore excitement... I want Ferrari to win every race.

    F2005 and better bridgestone tires. F1 is a team sport and Ferrari are the best F1 team to have ever existed.

    On to Bahrain!
     
  20. SRT Mike

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    Thats fine, but your are taking "enthusiasm" too far and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with your (IMO) narrow minded view of the subject. The MS-conspiracy theory is silly, as the FIA warned Fisi but not MS. Many would say both incidents were equal in blame, although personally maybe MS's was worse, as it wasn't even an overenthusiastic attempt to race, but rather a silly block that cost him points. At least Fisi was driving with passion and a hot head (which i like to see).

    Everyone wants Ferrari to win, but I'd rather see them challenged than proceeding around the track in 1-2 formation every time. Nobody can be top dog forever, but if you let it get to you this much whenever Ferrari doesn't win and everyone else isn't up in arms, you will only succeed in shortening your life with stress!
     
  21. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    All I said Imperial was that MS is a poor blocker ... go and read my post.

    Admit it, you are loosing the plot :D
    Pete
     
  22. Fast Shadow

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    The idiotic tire rule was at fault. That wreck was a perfect example of why F1 is going down the toilet.
     
  23. Darkhorse575

    Darkhorse575 Formula Junior

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    Who was at fault?
    It is always the responsibility of the overtaking driver to execute his move in a safe manner. Fisi was crossed up drifting sideways and could only account for a fraction of total car control at the moment of contact. He knows the tire rules better than any of us. He should have waited for a slower corner (like 2 or 8) where a car with worn tires would have been easier to control.
     
  24. F1racer

    F1racer F1 Rookie

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    Fisichella's car wasn't running at all during that stage of the race. Webber was stuck behind him and Heidfeld was catching them. Finally Webber got pass Fisi but suddenly Mark ran over a debris on the straight and Fisi had a chance to go right back at him. This was Fisichella's only change on Webber. No way he could have passed him after. It would have been Heidfeld all over Fisichella.
     
  25. Nico Rossi

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    Pleasing to see so many in agreement that Fisichella was at fault in this particular instance. It is always the responsibility of the driver on the inside when in a side by side situation, to hold their line and not run wide - Giancarlo did not do this and thus the collision came to pass. Good to see two drivers both going for it, however.
     
  26. Koby

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    Webber clearly left racing room. Fisi left his braking far too late for the grip he was getting from his tires.
     
  27. PSk

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    Amen.

    Pete
     

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