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  1. fmomen

    fmomen Karting

    Oct 4, 2004
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    faisal
    hi, had a really peculiar problem wiht my car yesterday, had been driving in heavy traffic !100 deg) with the car running absolutely brilliant. once we stopped after an hr, an audable 3 beeps happened every time I swiched the ignition on and the gear symbol on dash was illuminated. Kept trying to start and move and after 4/5 times this became ok and drove home fine without any gear issues. after 7 hrs tried the car again, this time the N indicator is flashing and the gear symbol remains on. Though the car is going into 1st gear. Cant understand why this is occuring. need help, no dealer here to service
     
  2. blkdiablo33

    blkdiablo33 F1 Rookie

    Jul 12, 2004
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    ck the f1 fluid first
     
  3. fmomen

    fmomen Karting

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    ok. will chk. I am planning to change the transmission oil. what is the procedure and the recommended oil for the car. As i have mentioned since there is no dealer here in India, we need to get it right. Thanks
     
  4. away

    away Formula Junior

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    #4 away, Apr 8, 2010
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2010
    Here's the gist of the trans oil change. (search around for exact details)

    -Remove undertray and rear bumper.
    -Run engine for 2 mins then let sit for 5 and check trans oil level: The level is checked with the dipstick/fill plug unscrewed and resting on the threads.
    -I then drove the car (without bumper!) slowly for about a mile to heat up and circulate the fluid. Upon returning, drain the oil.
    -Re-fill accordingly. I believe the dry capacity is 3.5 liters and if I recall I took out and put back in about 3 quarts. Re-check fluid level using the same method above and be sure to re-fill to the proper level. I'm sure it's a PITA to check/fill again after you re-install the bumper so be sure to get it right the first time. I probably checked the level 5 times before settling on it being "right".
    -Inspect/clean filter mounted on the left lower side of the transmission. It comes out relatively easily and mine had some debris on it so I recommend not skipping this step.
    -Re-install bumper/undertray.

    There are additional points such as blowing out the oiling cooling line, but the above is a general/concise overview. As I mentioned, search this site for the "exact" procedure. Heck, I should have just searched and posted it for you instead of typing! ;)

    Oh and I used Redline 75W/90 gear oil as plenty of people recommended it.
     
  5. Juri

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    Your description sounds more like you have a failing F1 pump. My advise is to read my previous thread first before going any further:
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...=268458&page=1
    Let me know if your problem persists and if you need a new realy or a new F1 pump - I can help.
    Cheers.
    Juri
     
  6. fmomen

    fmomen Karting

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    #6 fmomen, Apr 14, 2010
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2010
    thanks. I will keep you posted. really worried since there is no technician
     
  7. fmomen

    fmomen Karting

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    Tried to up shift and downshift without starting the engine. gearbox went till 2nd and then downshifted back to first and put it in neutral. After this started the car for 10 mins, suddenly the warning light went off and the neutral indicator stopped flashing!!! make any sense to any one?
     
  8. Juri

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    #8 Juri, Apr 16, 2010
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2010
    When the engine is not on or if it is working, but you are not actually driving, you will not be able to shift up higher than the second gear. This is NORMAL.

    What you may need to do - is to purge your whole F1 hydraulic system (there is a purge valve on the gear shifting actuator unit above the site where the hydraulic lines are attached to the transmission system below...). What may have happened - is that at some point your hydraulic fluid was too low and some air may have been sucked into the system causing intermitent low pressure in the hydraulic system (hard to build up). You should always have at least 1/2 of the reservoir filled, but dont overfill it! If after driving for a while the F1 system starts acting up and gear suddenly drops into neutral when you are shifting up or down - then you have air in the hydraulic system and need to purge your hydraulic lines for sure. Another reason to such behavior - is failing clutch... You need to check the clutch ware (% left of it), re-establish a "kissing point" (there is a special program that Ferrari techs use for this). Finally, it may be your F1 pump failing, as I had suggested before...

    Cheers,
    JG
     
  9. fmomen

    fmomen Karting

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    #9 fmomen, Apr 19, 2010
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2010
    Finally got someone to fly out with SD2. The verdict is that the potentiometer sensor has failed. We need to replace this and the clutch sensor along with it. Basicaly I am told that the selector does not know which gear to engage. Else, 19% clutch wear, all other parameters are fine. Not allowing them to erase the fault code. Can anyone help with these parts. Pl.
     
  10. Juri

    Juri Formula Junior
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    I have new for you - your sensors are fine ! This is a typical error, when the TCU is trying to engage a gear change via the F1 hydraulic unit, but because there is not enough pressure the sensors can not detect the gear change and send an error message... It's your pump, man! I had the same problem, chnged only the pump and everything worked great ever after.
    Each sensor can sell as high as $500-$600 US !!!
    See this site:
    http://www.ferrparts.com/part_index.php?Veh=360_Modena&Tav=28
    Table 28, part 47 = $450-500.
    Table 31, part 44 = $1500; part 45 = $1500.
    F1 pump is shown in Table 32, part 6 = $1300.
    If you change this pump, you need to change the corresponding relay shown in Table 138, part 17 = $64.

    Let me know what are you going to do.

    Cheers.
    Juri.
     

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