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Flywheel idea...

Discussion in '348/355' started by Marco Bussadori, Jan 15, 2009.

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  1. Marco Bussadori

    Marco Bussadori Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2007
    430
    London
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    Marco Bussadori
    General question...

    Say I take the flywheel off, empty it of grease, weld it into a single piece and then cross drill it to lighten it up.

    What would happen? I expect some people to tell me ignition problems when the dampers are removed, and some others telling me that the flywheel will crack. Then I'm hoping FBB will chime in saying it will all be OK as he's welded his and raced it for a long time. Does anyone have the theory behind flywheel lightening? I know that the rotational momentum is a function of mass, rotational speed and other factors - to save us from a physics and calculus lesson, is removing the 250 or so grams of kluber and all the internal hardware enough to give us a faster throttle response?

    I want to get my car to rev up and down much more aggressively than the relatively sedate set up which is standard out of the factory.

    Furthermore, I have made a sand (silica) mold of my flywheel. I made a tin/lead solid casting which I then "machined". This fit the car just fine. I didn't run it, just a conceptual cast. In the process I made a right mess of everything, but it was fun. I have a half idea to take the next cast I make to an aluminum smelter to see if we can make a few units to experiment with. I see they are a very unique item. And I expect a solid casting will be more durable than a welded unit...

    I now have a new job after 9 months out so I can afford to start experimenting again...

    Marco
     
  2. FandLcars

    FandLcars F1 Rookie

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    FatBillyBob should chime in here soon. He welded his up, and tracked it, IIRC. He said it worked fine.
     
  3. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    you're barmy
    ferrari made it that way
    why mess with a masterpiece??
     
  4. TheOnlyest

    TheOnlyest Formula 3

    Sep 25, 2007
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    Steve

    That was done to mine, ('91 348ts) it works fine, but at low RPM's and idle, (with the clutch engaged)
    there is a chatter noise from the spline play that is normally muted by the grease pack.

    Honestly, it irritates the crap outta me, and people are constantly telling me I have a rod-knock or a bad throwout bearing.

    If you're truly interested in doing this, i'd entertain the idea of just trading you!
    Mine was done correctly and professionally heliarc welded. The bad news for me is, it cant be UN-done.
     
  5. mseals

    mseals Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Now that sounds like a fair trade!

    Mike in Kuwait
     
  6. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Aug 10, 2002
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    Been there done that. No problems over 5 year racing. dropped about 6-8 lbs i forget. System must be balanced properly. You can feel the difference in acceleration out of corners but the driveability is still good. I never had any noise but I was racing and I did run straight pipes. It was an felt improvement which is about the most you can expect. Nothing blew up.
     
  7. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #7 ernie, Jan 15, 2009
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2009
    Marco, we MUST have a pint, or two, next time I'm over in England.
     
  8. Marco Bussadori

    Marco Bussadori Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2007
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    OK,

    I'll mace a couple of flywheel castings and drill/machine slots in their back side to lighten them up. I'll keep the orig so to be able to go back to stock. Sometimes, I wonder if I should just drive the thing instead of messing with it..

    Pint will be on me Ernie...

    Marco
     
  9. plugzit

    plugzit F1 Veteran
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    Marco-Thanks for doing this project!
     
  10. TopElement

    TopElement Formula 3

    May 14, 2005
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    A Montoya
    Why make castings instead of machining from billet?
     
  11. Marco Bussadori

    Marco Bussadori Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2007
    430
    London
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    Marco Bussadori
    Bit of both, I'll rough cast, then machine... Don't know if I am going to bother, need to see what available time I will have, been out of work for a year, and now I am going back... Will be running the incubation business for a major software vendor, so time will be a premium...
     

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