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Flywheel markings - I can't find PM.5-8 (1980 308 Carb, Single Dizzy)

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  1. Andy 308GTB

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    I am having to go back to basics to address an ignition/timing issue.

    My car has the single distributor
    I am happy that #1 cylinder is at TDC (PM.1-4) on its compression stroke.
    I'd like to confirm that #5 cylinder is at TDC (PM.5-8) on its compression stroke.

    However, I have rotated the flywheel past where I think the markings should be and I cannot see PM.5-8 (maybe this is the problem!) but when rotating the flywheel I don't recall ever seeing the PM.5-8 marking.

    Before I tediously rotate the flywheel, cleaning the rim as I go - can someone confirm that these flywheels ALWAYS have the PM.5-8 marked?

    I know the correct procedure is to remove the heads/camshaft covers and look at the camshaft markings but the horror stories about seized covers doesn't endear me to this approach.
     
  2. Brian Harper

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    I've never heard of seized covers. Seized heads, yes, but covers?
    Go to 1-4 TDC. Mark the crank shaft pulley to keep track of where it is. It should be pretty easy to keep track of how much you've rotated now. Turn it about 90* and have a good look at the flywheel.
     
  3. Andy 308GTB

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    Thanks, you have confirmed that I am looking in exactly the right place!

    I'll repeat the exercise for the 3rd time.
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    Don't have any real information one way or the other, but on the single distributor 308 flywheel there would be no use for a PM 5-8 mark so it wouldn't surprise me if there is no mark for that. Unfortunately, the photos of the single distributor flywheel at MC don't show the area where a PM 5-8 mark would be, if present.
     
  5. Andy 308GTB

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    This makes sense and probably explains why I can't find the marks.

    I should be able to work out my own timing marks. The flywheel is the only the other end of the crank, so as has been suggested, a quarter turn can be quite accurately applied and marked.
     
  6. kcabpilot

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    Pretty sure it has the mark, even though there would be no use for it. I know my QV has it and yea, it's 90 deg past the PM. 1-4 mark but as noted, why do you care? There's nothing you can do with it.

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    One difference is that your QV has two separate advance devices (i.e., two independent Digiplex ECUs) = your car needs a set of advance markings for 1-4 and a different set of advance markings for 5-8 (to make sure both are working OK). A single distributor 308 has only one advance mechanism = only needs one set of advance marks. Just speculating, but your QV having 5-8 marks doesn't convince me that a single distributor 308 MUST have them, too. It might, but I'd prefer seeing a diagram (like you posted) for a single distributor 308 (but have not come across that in the F documentation that I have).
     
  8. Andy 308GTB

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    I have an issue with my ignition. I just want to check that BOTH banks are set correctly (to eliminate them as a problem).
    The distributor is driven off the front bank (5-8 camshaft), the timing is set using the rear bank (1-4 camshaft). It does open up the possibility of them being out of sync.

    As I said in my first post, I'm having to go back to basics in an attempt to understand what is going on.
     
  9. miketuason

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    Which timing are you checking,
    valve timing or ignition timing?
     
  10. Andy 308GTB

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    I am 99pct certain my ignition timing is good.
    I just want to confirm that the belts/camshafts are synch'd up between the 2 banks
     
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  11. jgmblair

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    If you put it at PM1-4 and confirm you are on the compression stroke, cam marks aligned thru oil fill hole. Pull your #5 spark plug and put a ratchet extension in bore and turn the crank, you will see where the approximate PM5-8 is and you can put a reference mark with a paint pen on your flywheel.
     
  12. kcabpilot

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    Well as noted the PM.5-8 mark is exactly 90 degrees after the PM.1-4 mark so you can easily find that position simply by turning the crank pulley 90 degrees but you still won't have any way of determining your 1-5 bank cam positions without pulling the cover. The QV's do have external marks and pointers that are affixed to the belt covers. They are hard to see and I'm not sure if earlier models even have them. The pointers are actually attached to the backplates and I know earlier 308's did not have backplates on the belt covers.
     

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