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Foam, engine lid, removal

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  1. eulk328

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    #1 eulk328, Apr 21, 2008
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    Has anybody removed the foam insulation on the engine lid of a 328? Mine was hanging a bit loose on one corner so I decided to remove it. That stuff does not like to come off where it's still attached! Looks like caca now :-(

    I suppose it's there for a bit of sound insulation but on a car like this I'm not sure I see the point. I view it as nothing more than additional oil vapor-soaked fuel in the event of a fire.

    Any ideas for getting the rest off that won't damage the paint underneath or on the other side of the engine lid? (I actually bought a cheap electric hair clipper today to see how that works!)
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  2. Kingpin328

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    Mine never had it in the first place, it seems.
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  3. BT

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    You might try soaking it down in Goof Off 2, an adhesive solvent to see if that will loosen up the remaining foam. A bottle should cost around $4 at Lowe's. I have been told it is water based so it should not damage the paint. Read the label to see if it is flammable.
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  4. FandLcars

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    I've always thought the foam was there to protect the exterior body paint from heat in case of a backfire through the intake system (at least for carbs), and from direct radiation/heat from the engine. However, you probably could limit heat exposure to the paint using some other coating besides the foam. Don't have direct experience of living without the foam for a long period, though.
     
  5. BigTex

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    No foam there on a carb model.....Keep going with paint thinner or solvent..fingernail polish remover, then repaint
     
  6. eulk328

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    ah...... must be another one of those "Swiss Market" add-ons like the THICK foam on the fiberglass wheel arches.

    wanna swap engine covers?? :)

    Sweet looking engine compartment you've got there!
     
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    I think I've got some of that somewhere. It would be much simpler to use/apply/let soak if the engine lid were off and laying inside up.
     
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    The air cleaner box on the carbs would negate the effects of any backfire. If it were for general heat reasons I think a shiny stainless steel panel would do a better job by reflecting the heat (like the one under the trunk). I'm pretty sure it is there for noise reduction/vibration reduction.
     
  9. BigTex

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    The problem with Ferrari's foam of the period is it's open cell, it DOES act like a sponge, absorbing moisture or contaminants...

    Modern insulating foams such as Armorflex are closed cell and avoid this, but you'd need to assure the flame retardancy of it, I only use it for sealing systems where required, like the front hood/radiator junction for instance.....

    YMMV....
     
  10. mike

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    My '86 328 (USA spec) doesn't have it
     
  11. bill brooks

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    mine does not have foam either.
    however, i posted a while back that the black paper-like material is delaminating from the same
    areas you all mention. i don't know what the material is or how to reattach it.
     
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    My foam also had mostly disintegrated on my Mondial 3.2 cab. Need to use a solvent to disolve the adhesive, I did this with the lid on the car and some towels over the engine bay, a bit of messy work but doable. Then, I ordered some foam that looks identical from Performance Porducts for Porsche, the early 944 had this foam in the engine bay lid. It is not only fire retardent, it is designed to melt and help smother a fire if such occurred. Good German thinking, probably the same spec for Ferrari based on texture and appearance...
     
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    Thanks for the tip. I got mine off finally using a wide plastic scraper and then a sanding block with a coarse screen-like material. Looks much better now!
     
  15. RGigante

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    My 328 doesn't have the foam on the engine lid, only on the firewall which, by way, looks terrible !!

    Any suggestions about what to replace it with when (someday) I'll remove the engine ?
     
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    #16 eulk328, Apr 29, 2008
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    I had tons of it on my firewall also and it did not look nice and was probably more of a fire hazard than anything else. I did try burning some of this stuff (off the car :) and it does burn but it certainly does not just go up in flames in a flash. It will catch fire and then melt and drip.

    I was able to tear all the firewall insulation off with the engine in but I did have the fuel tanks, headers etc. out of the car at the time. It makes the engine bay brighter (easier to see things) with the red firewall paint reflecting light instead of the dark foam just absorbing it. There are some patches of glue residue on my firewall which I'll clean up nicely one day if I ever have the engine out. I have no plans to replace it with anything else.

    Incidentally, the foam on the firewall came off much more easily than the foam on the engine lid.
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    My 86 GTB never had it...
     
  18. RGigante

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    Did you remove the A/C or didn't your car have one? That makes it much easier to replace the belts :)
    Also I've noticed the early 328's have the bent in the coolant pipe while my car (late 88) has a straight pipe and the bent is rubber ...
     
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    I removed almost the entire A/C system and even the passenger side fuel tank! :) Then I removed all the long studs that held the compressor on and replaced them with screws. Access is much better. It's the whole reason I did it. Maybe engine cooling is a little bit better too with some more air space around there and of course there's the weight reduction. The downside is all the weight came off the passenger side but I can compensate for that later when I get the adjustable QA1 shocks put on. Also, you have to fill up twice as often with gas (but you only spend half as much each time ;-)

    Getting rid of the passenger side fuel tank also gets rid of the damn crossover pipe and hoses that always seem to be in the way and the leaks that go along with all those extra connections.

    Photo shows the view with just removing the wheel arch liner. Lots more space (relatively speaking :)
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  20. RGigante

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    WOW !

    It sure makes your life easier when maintaining the engine!
    Is that a sensor in the crankshaft? What's the history ?
     
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    #21 eulk328, Apr 29, 2008
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    I'm a broad shouldered guy and have trouble working in the wheel wells so I wanted/needed more space. Even taking off the brake disc adds some much appreciated room although it's some amount of extra work.

    The sensor is part of the Electromotive XDI kit I installed from Nick's Forza Ferrari. Got rid of the distributors ($$), original coils ($$), original engine ECU($$), original TDC and rpm senors etc.
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    I REALLY like that idea! What do you figure the one remaining fuel tank holds, gallon wise? Thanks in advance.
    I've been removing the pass. side tank each time I do the belts and tensioners because of the added room, but I like what you have done.


     
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    My Euro fuel capacity is listed at 74 liters (about 19.7 gallons). I'm quite sure the two tanks hold similar if not equal amounts of fuel so figure 10 gallons for one tank. By having the tanks hold about the same amount of fuel they can stay closer to 50-50 weight distribution from side-to-side... a good thing.

    By the way, my Euro passenger side tank weighs only 4.0 kg (8.8 pounds) empty. Also, removing the U.S. spec. passenger tank will be somewhat more complicated since there are a bunch of vent lines, charcol canister hook-ups etc.
     

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