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For manual ferraris, engine braking?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Hipporacer, May 23, 2022.

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  1. Hipporacer

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    For the older ferraris out there that have manual transmissions, what is your opinion on engine braking as a means of slowing down?
     
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  2. Bob Zambelli

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    I do it all the time!!!!
     
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  3. Dave Bertrand

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    Why would you ever use engine braking? These are not diesel trucks. We have terrific brakes on our cars and brake pads are cheap.
     
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  4. John Glen

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    braking
     
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  5. Shark01

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    I will do it to make velocity changes from one moving state to another, like approaching a curve.

    I don’t do it approaching a stoplight.

    And I get enough engine breaking without using engine braking very often.
     
  6. Hipporacer

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    I suppose that's the question at hand. Will engine braking a ferrari lead to engines breaking? If I'm going into a curve at around 80mph but want to slow down without using the brakes will downshifting to say 4th or even third be hard on the engine. Or is it better to wear the brake pads.
     
  7. vrsurgeon

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    I usually use the brakes to slow down. I get dropping it in a lower gear to create drag from the rear wheels to slow down.. but a set of brake pads is ALOT less expensive than a clutch.

    Answer: use the brakes.
     
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  8. JCR

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    Not only the clutch but the gears in the transmission.
     
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  9. Ffre92

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    At higher speeds engine braking is not going to do much to slow you down in time, and if you push the downshifts too aggressively there is the chance you may overrev. Not worth the risk. Also if I’m slowing down in my Ferrari, I want my brake lights to go on to let the people behind me know!
     
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  10. JHNurse

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    What about coming down a steep mountain pass? I usually control my speed in this these situations primarily by down shifting. Typically, I’m shifting between second and third gears, only using brakes when I need quicker stopping power. This may be a strain on the transmission, but I’ll never boil my brake fluid away this way!

    Andy
     
  11. Ffre92

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    I think that is a very different scenario, and most, if not all, would agree with u there. I think op was talking about regular driving style
     
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  12. Hipporacer

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    Yes. No mountains or hills here. I live I corn and soy fields! Mile upon mile of them.
     
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  13. rob lay

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    Giuseppe Risi "brakes are cheaper than engines"

    I love engine braking on the streets, sounds good and adds fun to the manual experience. Even with F1 it sounds good.

    All that said Risi is right.
     
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  14. Rosso328

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    One of my first instructors at Skip Barber many years ago would say “Gears are for goin’, brakes are for slowin’.”
     
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  15. rob lay

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    that's different and really the only time you SHOULD be engine braking.

    even performance driving or track you can make argument that being 100% focused on the middle pedal is faster than the focus required to engine brake and share your foot amongst two pedals.
     
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  16. vincep99

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    I use one-pedal braking on my 3-pedal cars:)
    Seriously, I agree with the others in that brakes are easier than clutches; doing a brake job is almost therapeutic for me. Also gives you the changes to play with different brake compounds
     
  17. technom3

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    Engine braking is important on new engines.
     
  18. RedTaxi

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    A perfect rev matched down shift would hardly wear a clutch. If you don't want to wear your clutch, don't take off from a standstill! The engine braking in my 430 is incredible. Just getting off the gas is like braking in my old lexus. Spirited driving through corners, downshifting, engine braking, yes. Coming to a stop, no.
     
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    #19 ginoBBi512, May 26, 2022
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    Its the combination of engine and foot braking which slows the car down smoothly and has the car balanced front to rear. On entrance to corners one could also slow the car by lifting off the gas and then shifting to the next lower gear or two and then back on the gas to rip around the corner. In the canyons, I tend not to have to use the brakes on entrance to every corner, if I do, its always in combo with the engine, well I should say, I dont know how to heal to toe, so I get off the gas, blip the throttle and then downshift , and I may use the brakes before I blip and shift . One has to practice to find out what feels comfortable, to be smooth and fast. On my shifter kart the engine braking is minimal to none,( 2 stroke motor,) . I brake at the same time Im downshifting to the gear I want to be in when Im off the brakes, and on the gas .In some sections all I do is get off the gas at the same time Im fist bumping the gear lever to the gear I need to be in before that particular section of the track.In any case, on four or two wheels its a huge learning curve , folks with a natural talent seem to pick things up faster, non the less, its fun as hell, whether your in your Ferrari, or riding your motorcycle, or in your go kart

    Thank you
     
  20. tomw

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    A clutch is cheaper than a set of CCBs o_O
     
  21. rob lay

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    Ha, good point, times have changed. :)
     
  22. paulchua

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    #22 paulchua, May 26, 2022
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    Every auto engineer I've talked to said not only is it a myth that engine braking is bad for your engine/drivetrain. In some situations, engine braking is actually better.

    Some folks here mention it in the context of track situations, I doubt the OP is asking the question in that scenario.

    Sort of like asking can wind affect my basketball game? Uh yeah, but in the NBA?

    No.
     
  23. paulchua

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    no. Engine braking does no damage.

    Here is the science/physics/engineering breakdown.

     
  24. Ak Jim

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    So for the people who only use the brake pedal to slow down what is your technique? Do you just leave it in the gear you are in and push in in the clutch when the engine reaches approximately idle rpm then push in the clutch until the car comes to a stop? It seems like when I’m cruising in fifth gear that idle rpm the car is still going 20-25 mph or so. Seems like a long time to just have the car coasting with the clutch pushed in. Also let’s say you’ve slowed to approximately idle RPM and you’re coasting with the clutch pushed in and the transmission in 5th gear or even neutral what happens if for some reason you have to immediately speed up maybe to avoid another car or the stop light turns green? I can’t picture not downshifting to keep the engine either engaged with the drive wheels or at the very least be immediately ready to make the car accelerate.
     
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  25. Nospinzone

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    Yea, but you go through more clutches than CCB pads. ;)
     

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