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FORMULA 1 2018 HEINEKEN CHINESE GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. P.Singhof

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    Totally different story.....Read the article!

    "While Vettel did not dispute the deployment of the safety car, he did call into question its timing, insisting race control should have taken into account the leaders' position on the track."

    Last race Seb was lucky that there was a safety car (or a VSC) and this happens all the time and will happen again.
    This time nobody took profit because there was a safety car but because of when the SC was called...It was impossible for the first two cars to do a pitstop because they were past the pit entry but the others were able to. So the SC should have been called earlier and then the two front runners would have had the same opportunity as the others had. So this is rather a question how this should be handled in the future then only whining about having bad luck...
     
  2. daytona355

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    You know the drill Pete, sometimes people read things how they want to read them! :)


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  3. Jakuzzi

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    I do not get the Kimi comment/attack. Please elaborate if you can/want. Thanks
     
  4. ricksb

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    Ferrari's strategy is basically 'whatever it takes to garner a Vettel win'. Kimi's race prospects are outwardly sacrificed in order to accomplish that strategy, including in this race where he was left out so long (in an effort to slow down Bottas so that Vettel could catch him) that KR dropped from 2nd to 6th place.

    Kimi joins Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barichello, Felipe Massa and a host of others as Ferrari WDC escorts (take that term any way you desire)

    (EDIT: On a side note, I might tend to align with those who may suggest that Kimi would be driving for nobody if not for his seat with the Scuderia)
     
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  5. P.Singhof

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    By sacrifying Kimi for a Vettel win Ferrari does not realize that this means Kimi can not take away points from Lewis. It did not work out to let Kimi slow down Bottas for Vettel to make a move but at that time Ferrari lost more points between Seb/Lewis by dropping Kimi behind Lewis. The aim must be to get as much drivers in between Seb and Lewis and Kimi should be one of them.
     
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  6. maulaf

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    well, it is a gamble to take. Swapping 2nd for 1st is worth more points than one car between that and wherever Ham finishes.
     
  7. P.Singhof

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    I think it is not worth it....the chances of swaping 1/2 is far smaller than Kimi dropping several places, as that is a certain. I wouldn´t have done that...
    In contrary: I would have tried to make an undercut with Kimi against Bottas as well to get him in front of the finn so they would have been able to control the race.
     
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  8. TheMayor

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    Let Kimi be Kimi

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  9. FastLapp

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    Just watched the replay. Not the best result for our boys, but the most entertaining China GP in years.

    Did they stop recording pit stop times? I haven’t seen them the past 2 races on the sky broadcast.
     
  10. Tifosi Ferrari

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    According to many the pit stop was 1 sec slower that cause Seb to lose 1st to Bottas.
     
  11. SPEEDCORE

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  12. nsxrebel

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    What about one time WDC winners??


    Marc Marquez was given 30 seconds for his shenanigans in MotoGP, he was pretty much doing the same thing as Max. Verstappen should have gotten 30 seconds added at least. And I like Marquez.
     
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  13. NEP

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    Verbally Martin Brundle stated Vatteri's stop was 2.1 seconds and Sebastian's 2.8 seconds.
     
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  14. DF1

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    Nice review of this fun race by Brundle here - http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24096/11333472/martin-brundle-daniel-ricciardo-becomes-a-contender-for-the-2018-title-and-a-mercedes-seat-in-2019

    Of note for Vettel - Clearly forgetting how Safety Car scenarios won him the recent Australian GP, Vettel has said that the FIA should consider the impact of the timing of deployment with regard to affecting the race order, presumably especially the leaders. The FIA can't instantly calculate that for 20 cars and second guess who may or may not pit.
     
  15. johnireland

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    If F1 was more about guys in cars flat out racing each other, and less about tire rules and computer programs and pit stops and adjustable engine modes, this might actually be like something they used to call auto racing. The 1980s was a much more interesting era...multiple engine configurations...V8, V-12, flat 12, V6 turbo, totally manual gear boxes, and a sense of humor.
     
  16. P.Singhof

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    As said: different story than Melbourne

    And the FIA does not have to calculate anything! Either bring out the SC immediately when it is urgent or wait and bring it out before the leader passes the pits and everybody has the same chance.
    But don't wait and then bring it out after the first two passed the pits! That might not overstress even the FIA

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    Pit-stop & Strategy review: Bottas with fastest stop (2.15s) but Redbull shone with flawless double pit-stops.

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    At Mclarens F1 very detailed lighting notification system during a pitstop. A driver can only exit the pits when all lights are illuminated green @ Chinese GP

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  18. jgonzalesm6

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    "Don't get greedy mate" - Team radio tells Max after passing Kimi on the first lap.

    Best of Team Radio | 2018 Chinese Grand Prix

     
  19. Bas Jaski

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    Great article as per usual from Brundle. I liked his chat with Verstappen. Now lets see if his (own) words hold true and he'll be more patient with some overtakes.
     
  20. DF1

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    I think Max will sort it. Its the 'patience' part he will need to work on mostly. The race craft exists. Its how he employs it and when.
     
  21. crinoid

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  22. FastLapp

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    Thanks. I saw the total pit stop time (including time in pit lane), but they used to show the actual stop times. Maybe I just missed it. Will look for it next race.
     
  23. SPEEDCORE

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    I get what you mean now. They show it for a few seconds with a green font then it goes back to the timer.
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    You're right it was better last year.
     
  24. furoni

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    Well, the guy can't suck one everything he does!
    can he?
    Let's try with the Stroller!
     
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  25. trumpet77

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    Mercedes graphic on Facebook states that Bottas' pit stop was 1.83. so yeah, that would be a huge difference if VET was 2.8 [​IMG]
     

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