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FORMULA 1 2018 VTB RUSSIAN GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. jgonzalesm6

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    Vettel rolling Lewis's car after the race to see if Lewis's statement about blistering tires was true.

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    Any instrumentation monitored by the FIA should also be uniform across all teams/cars. If they want an extra sensor on one car it needs to be on all cars.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Theoretically, the sensors should be the same, and up until this year they were the same and nothing different was needed. However, for 2018, Ferrari changed their PU to run two separate battery packs, whereas the other teams run a single battery pack (as did Ferrari previously). Note when saying "Ferrari" regarding the dual battery configuration, we really mean "all teams using the Ferrari power unit with dual battery configuration", since Sauber and HAAS jumped their rivals this year with the stronger Ferrari PU they were also using.

    The concern this year was teams noticed that Ferrari was able to deploy more electrical energy more quickly than the other PUs - but deployment rate is supposed to be regulated, and was monitored adequately before by the single sensor. The extra deployment power/rate was detected by GPS traces and analysis by the other teams of the Ferrari acceleration down straights - they were pulling away from the other cars at a rate that was suspicious if it was supposed to be nearly identical when deploying the extra battery power. The suspicion was that Ferrari was somehow getting additional power deployed via their dual battery configuration. There were queries to the FIA from the other teams about this, no doubt backed up with the GPS analysis data. The FIA investigated, it took a while as they explained that the dual battery configuration was unique and it took several technical sessions with Ferrari to ensure the system was compliant with the regulations, and as we know the FIA announced that they were satisfied that the system was compliant, and just to be sure they asked Ferrari to install a second sensor... and, as we are now hearing, since the installation of the second sensor the Ferrari cars have lost that little bit of extra oomph acceleration down the straights when deploying battery power.

    It would seem, therefore, that Ferrari was in fact using a loophole to deploy more battery power than was supposed to be allowed via the dual battery configuration - likely because they had the single mandated sensor in line with one battery, and were deploying more than an equal 50% share of the battery output through the other unmonitored battery output. Since the installation of the second sensor, they can't sneak extra battery power out into the drivetrain, and their acceleration advantage has disappeared.

    Sure, if all the teams ran a single battery (as was the case prior to 2018), then an identical single sensor configuration worked. When Ferrari switched to a dual battery setup, a single sensor was no longer sufficient to monitor all battery energy deployment, as the Ferrari loophole obviously demonstrated. If you say "Any instrumentation monitoring battery output should be uniform across all teams/cars, then it is consistent - single battery configurations only need one sensor, although two could be run it would be redundant; dual battery configurations need two sensors, one on each battery output, to ensure than all battery energy deployed is monitored. It is consistent in that the new dual sensor requirement covers the new Ferrari physical configuration.
     
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    Well, only goes to further show why Seb needs to be replaced...he couldn’t capitalize on such a significant advantage when given the chance. The remaining races are going to be painful to watch...
     
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    Think this Hamilton kid might win the whole thing. He passes his teammate like he’s standing still. ;)
     
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    Yes that makes sense, thanks G.
    Well I can't accuse of Ferrari of not making waves, because If you're not making waves you're not kicking hard enough!.
     
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    At some point the output from both batteries has to merge. That is where the sensor should be located.

    So Sauber and HAAS also have the 2nd sensor?
     
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    Not to my knowledge. I have'nt seen anything (Sauber & HAAS).
     
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    Ferrari's F1 engine dramas explained

     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139320/doublemoves-like-vettel-clarified-by-fia

    The FIA has told the Formula 1 field that if drivers make two separate defensive moves in the same direction in the future they risk being penalised.

    In the wake of Sebastian Vettel's double block of Lewis Hamilton as they battled for position in the Russian Grand Prix, the incident was brought up in the drivers' briefing in Japan last weekend.

    Hamilton wanted clarification regarding whether or not drivers were allowed to move twice in the same direction and escape sanction, as he felt that Vettel's actions were not acceptable.

    The FIA has long made it clear that if a driver changes direction more than once in a bid to defend their position, then they will be investigated by the race stewards for a breach of the rules.

    In Russia, Hamilton felt that Vettel moved twice - once to initially close the door and then again later to leave his Mercedes rival with nowhere to go.

    F1 race director Charlie Whiting has maintained that Vettel's actions could not be viewed as two separate moves because they were in the same direction.

    But he has now explained to the drivers that in the future moving the same way may not necessarily be allowed if there is a time gap between the actions.

    When asked by Autosport about the outcome of the discussion in the drivers' briefing last weekend, Whiting said: "The rule about two moves is traditionally about making a move one way and then making a second move the other way.

    "Everyone felt that that was what was generally understood by the rule, but I must say that when I first saw the incident in the race in Russia I thought the same: '[Vettel] has moved twice' when I saw it from Lewis' onboard.

    "But when you look at it from track cameras and a forward shot when they are coming towards you, it is much less clear - it looks like one move with a hesitation.

    "It doesn't look like two distinct moves, which is why the stewards did not feel that they could justify a penalty."

    But Whiting is clear now that if a driver makes a second move in the same direction, with a pause in the middle, then that will be treated as a breach of the rules.

    "What I did clarify to them is that if a driver does two moves in the same direction, that is the same as doing one in either direction," he said.

    "So if Seb had gone once, looked and then gone again, very clearly, I think that would be equally bad as making a move in either direction."
     
  18. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    they making this up as they go along ..unreal .

    or maybe before were just trying to keep the show going on ? no use in lewis sealing it in Austin ..would decimate the viewers /attendees i think.
     
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    Given the Vettel / Ferrari meltdown - viewer # is down. Many think the season is sorted now............
     

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