FORMULA 1 ARAMCO UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2022...Austin....RACE.. ▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS ▄▀▄▀▄▀

I understand your viewpoint and agree in theory, but I cannot agree in practice.

I don't want the FIA or any official to have the power to unilaterally decide whether a car is arbitrarily unfit to continue after an incident due to some invisible judgment-based reason that later turns out to be nothing. I also don't want some stupid rule about if a car experiences X Gs in a collision that it is automatically disqualified from the race or even ordered to the pit to undergo scrutineering.

The parameters governing endurance racing are simply different, as are the cars. A shaky part needing to survive 20 minutes is very different from a shaky part needing to last 4 hours.

For example, who's to say that Lewis Hamilton's front suspension wasn't dangerously compromised after he punted Max at Silverstone last year?

While the intent is admirable, I just can't see how it could work in reality.

 

Great discussion, some good battles on track, and more whining from drivers and teams all along the way, another 2022 race!

I watched the HAM on board and I don't see clear evidence he hits SAI, my guess is that Carlos slowed and turned left to avoid rear-ending VER, and that's where RUS was coming inside the racing line (assuming MAX was on the line, RUS was inside of that) and locked up and T-boned the Ferrari. Good start Max, bad start Carlos, and one more incident of Mercedes incidents on the 1st lap.

I'm an Alonso fan, so I appreciate his ability to drive and compete, same with VET vs. MAG on the last lap! During the race, we saw an onboard with ALO that clearly showed the right mirror vibrating, but no mention from the announcers that I remember. I think the bottom line is that HAAS made their point about inconsistent black/orange flags, so maybe a 30 second penalty "simulates" a stop-go penalty? Also regarding ALO, the close pass of a driver in front with Stroll did remind me of the incident with Guittierez as someone mentioned a few pages back, I don't think it's Alonso's fault, maybe I'm wrong.

Still not a fan of grid walks, terrible national anthem performers (I'm a musician), bad announcing getting the cheerleaders or cowboy hats wrong, etc. I'll still give the announcers a break since they seem to be determined to talk non-stop, they're bound to say some dumb things. Even during one of the practice sessions and the dumb "AUDIO UP" lap they were talking this weekend. My solution? AUDIO OFF!

Bad luck in the pits for a few drivers, fun to watch the tire strategies, and regardless, Max takes the win, and ties the Schumacher/Vettel season record of 13 wins, with three more chances to break it. I'm not a HAM fan, so I'll point out that his name is NOT on that record!

 

Not sure what needs to be done but if memory serves me right the Italian firm responsible for Zandvoort changes had similar challenges.

 

So, You don't want ? LOL Are you also stamping your feet when you don't get your way ?

 

I'm sorry, that's uncalled for. Did you find my opinion, or how I expressed it, unreasonable?

 

It just affirms every negative cultural stereotype about the USA. Miami was bad enough.

 

Safety concerns get in the way of many people's fun, including yours apparently.

I'll leave it at that.

 

Why do we even let them race at all?

 

If the organisers have to put a rendition of the national anthem in the program, could they at least use a good quality recording rather than someone trying to perform it who can't sing to save her life. At COTA, that was really embarrassing to watch ...

 

The 5 seconds penalties are dependent on the tracks and the time the infringement takes place. For example, if the penalty is in the beginning of the race
and to some of the faster cars, the time it takes to get in for the first pitstop is more than enough to compensate (and get away) to minimize the effect of the
penalty, because the driver can separate from the slower cars. 5 seconds added to the actual pitstop is not a huge if you build a cushion.

In some tracks and depending of the conditions, the cars stay close together even after 20 laps, so in these cases the penalty is more damaging. Now, a 5 second
penalty in the middle of the pack it is for sure more severe because it could send the car to back of the field, so here it hurts far more. If the penalty is towards the
end of the race, after the last pitstop for example, then it depends how the cars are spaced at the time, if they are bunched up because, say a Safety Car, yes, the
penalty is huge, because it's 5 seconds, plus the extra pitstop. But on the contrary, if it's 10 laps to go, say in SPA, and you're follower is 20 seconds behind, the penalty is not as harsh.

I have found the 5 seconds penalties to be too ambiguous, with actual penalties too random.

In this race, the 5 second penalty to Russell was not that harsh really, specially when Sainz pole position was destroyed. Maybe the penalty should be more
proportionate to the impact to the other driver. It's not the same when the other driver retires, than one when he would have to stop for a new nose (and losing
quite a few positions) or, just an impact where the other driver misses a curve a because of that he loses just two positions.

 

Carlos cleared slowed, which amounted to a brake check of Lewis steaming out of turn 1.
But that was Max's doing with his sneakly lift with the field bunched up directly behind him.
Carlos had no other option after getting smoked off the line by Max, George and, barely, Lewis.
George's launch was almost as good as Max's, and finding himself in front of Lewis and closing on Carlos let the red mist convince him he had a legit shot at taking 2nd place. Hence the lock up and plowing straight into Carlos.

 

The results were predictable minus an incident of any damage. Even slow pit stop yields a Max victory lol. Its beyond dominating at this point. Off to Mexico. The only question is will RedBull gift a win to Checo in some fashion. I doubt it but whats going to stop them at all from doing so. That race will be even MORE predictable than US GP Austin was.

George needs to improve or LH will beat him in points as well. LH is the better 'race' Mercedes driver and has beat him since summer break.

This level of power by RedBull is a stern warning to next year I think. It will be a tough season for most teams including Ferrari unless they find a major adjustment to the car and refine the aero and tire wear. Not sure what Mercedes have in store at all. Their concept is just so draggy and I think they are a bit down on the power in the PU as well.

 

I'd say Sainz had one other option, go wide to the right. Being the 1st corner, he'd possibly get away with it given the stewards leniency for 1st lap incidents.

 

The RB is dominant with Max. Not so with Checo. So gifting a win is not so simple.

 

So race drivers being race drivers - sensing opportunity and we get a first lap incident - surprising to many who point fingers LOL. News to many it appears. And if a move by Russell is successful then LH is terrible and world is revalidated for many on our semi-toxic forum

 

Sure it is. He wins by Max not beating him. The world would turn and RedBull fans would not care at all. Checo has a been a capable supporter of Max and the team. Would he want such a win - not at all. Is it fitting given he has zero chance of beating Max in Mexico. Probably not but it is a TEAM SPORT we keep hearing and he has SUPPORTED this team.

 

Agreed that Carlos shouldn't have been penalized if he'd gone off track avoiding Max to the right, but he had "the ol switcheroo" in mind so that would've required a split second reversal of his intent to come inside Max (outside for turn 2).
But if he did go right... George may have ended up T-boning Lewis, and the simultaneous orgasm by some on this board would have been epic lol

 

I know I'd have convulsed momentarily, at least until the crane arrived on the scene to redeposit Lewis on the racing line. Off ya go!

 

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"The stewards' ruling suggests that any car missing a rear-view mirror after an incident will be forced to retire in future."

 

Unless they can replace it.

 

wow, great race!!! vettel's pass on magnusen, max's hammer down after the wrench, then shredding whiny Lewee, chuck's great race!!! loved it!!!!

shame on officer georgie, pointing fingers on the radio after taking carlos out