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  1. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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  2. Giallo 550

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    I’m not excusing anything. I’m just saying the team is moving in the right direction and it wouldn’t be right to sack anyone yet. That has not worked for Ferrari in the past.
     
  3. jpalmito

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    Exactly,
    Just work our weakest points.
    Our engineers team is already able to design a winning car.
     
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  4. 355TDI

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    I agree one of the reasons Ferrari have not won a Championship in so long is the blame culture, and impetuous firing of staff. There has been a culture change and the results have followed, I think he is the right man for the job. This title race is not over, the F1-75 is still a match for the RB18 in most areas. Anything can happen.
     
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  5. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Agree. Whilst the championship seems quite far away right now, the speed of the car is clearly there. It's still the fastest on saturday, and yesterday race pace was really good. Leclerc went with an obvious different setup to aid overtaking which I think led to premature tyre wear, we can't look at his race as a negative. The track was washed on saturday so essentially a completely green track for the race, and Sainz had a remarkably good race.

    The 2023 cars are largely the same so if Ferrari keeps focus, keeps upgrading the car and especially the reliability of the engine, we will score more wins this season and next year mount a real challenge. Who knows, maybe red bull has a couple of engine failures for Max and it'll be even stevens again.
     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Where's the "talent and skill" of a 7x WDC title holder???? Shouldn't those characteristics transform into this new formula for 2022???

    Russell is making Lewis look like Lewis just needs a "1 sec. per lap" car for the race for those "talents and skills." Some of us have seen it from 2014 thru 2020 and it sure looks like some of us were right....as depicted in the 2022 season.

    Yes, we know the W13 is an "undrivable" car as Toto has put it......but Russell is of the opposite opinion. Russell is adaptable in both formula's-->Sakhir2020 and now 2022.


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  7. ingegnere

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    Russell already proved with the one-off Merc drive in 2020 that he could have been winning as much or more in that car than the “GOAT”.

    Instead, the “GOAT” had free reign to keeping racking up the numbers at 20+ races a year making summer of his fans believe the hype. Now, those that only noticed “the numbers” are shocked at his lack of performance.

    In any case, at the rate VER is winning, he’ll probably beat HAM’s win numbers in a few years time while still in his 20s.
     
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  8. william

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    It's undeniable that Russell has taken over at MB. He carries their hope for the future.
     
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  9. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Vettel and his helmet got ALOT of heat from a Canadian politician. The media didn't show his helmet or his shirt.

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    Sebastian Vettel likes to use his reputation for a good cause. The four-time world champion regularly campaigns for more tolerance in society, against discrimination against minorities, for the fight against climate change or simply for responsible, ecological action.

    For the Montreal guest performance, the Heppenheimer had written a very special environmental protection topic on the flags. With a printed T-shirt and a new helmet design, Vettel denounced oil extraction from tar sands in the Canadian province of Alberta.

    Vettel described it as a crime that forest areas fall victim and the landscape is destroyed.

    The action brought Vettel a fair amount of criticism from local politicians.

    Alberta's energy minister, in particular, rushed ahead via social media and described Vettel as a hypocrite because, as a F1 driver, he doesn't exactly practice an....[...] environmentally friendly sport and his employer Aston Martin, Aramco, has the world's largest oil producer as a sponsor.

    Actually, the action had already made enough headlines. But on Sunday (June 19th) a few more were to come unexpectedly. The trigger was Vettel's surprising refusal to wear the controversial helmet in the race. Instead, the driver started with its traditional design.

    When asked about the reasons for the decision, Vettel was taciturn in an interview with F1 broadcaster Sky: "I don't want to say anything, I have more than one helmet."

    When reporter Peter Hardenacke asked whether the team had exerted any pressure, the driver evaded again. The 34-year-old ended the interview with the sentence: "Do we have any other questions?"

    Aston Martin team boss Mike Krack denied that Vettel had been banned from protesting: “He wanted to use the helmet and the T-shirt to draw attention to the topic. At some point he decided that attention had been drawn."

    "Yes, he can don't wear the same T-shirt every day", the leader tried to take the matter with humor. According to Krack, Vettel always coordinates his actions with the team well in advance. Then you think about a common approach. "You've seen in the past that such campaigns mainly took place on Friday and Saturday. But of course he's free to make his own decisions. He's a free man," said Krack.

    But one thing is also clear: the Montreal helmet met with little approval at Aston Martin. While other Vettel initiatives used to happily be shared via the team's own social media channels, this time there were no relevant posts at all.

    The statement was completely hidden, the helmet was not even visible in the picture. The topic is also more than clearly ignored in the racing team's media database, which provides photo material for reporting by press representatives.

    As you can hear in the paddock, not only Aston Martin should see some Vettel actions critically. Even the F1 management is apparently not always enthusiastic when the German puts his finger in the wound and offends....[...] the governments of well-paying Grand Prix countries or alienates potential advertising partners. The tolerance initiative "We Race as One", which was launched under pressure from Lewis Hamilton during the Corona period, is now hardly visible.

    https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/sebastian-vettel-helm-montreal-protest-teersand-verbot-aston-martin/
     
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  10. william

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    None of this makes Vettel more endearing. :mad:
     
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  11. Bas

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    Schumacher/Lewis numbers are quite a distance away but he could likely topple Alonso this year and Senna next year. If his car remains as competitive as he is today all through next year, Prost/Vettel is in sights by end of 2023.
     
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  12. william

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    Then, I wonder if people won't start to hate Red Bull dominating.
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    There's more parity in this era(2022).

    Besides, people don't like Horner and Marko on top of the drink itself. You can't win either way.

    Give 'em credit for developing a winning team to include their own powertrains....thanks to Honda.

    They're the only F1 team to sponsor and bankroll 2 F1 teams as well.

    Not to mention, the RB7 goes global in sponsoring F1....at the expense of RedBull...and not F1. They do more for F1 than MercedesAMGF1 and Ferrari F1 from a marketing perspective.

    I like RedBull and everything else included with the F1 team.
     
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  14. Bas

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    Exactly. Pretty sure their Young Driver Programme got more drivers to F1 than any other team. They bought the beloved Minardi. They bought the failing Jaguar. They bought a beloved track that was in a state of destruction and not only bought it back to modern standards, even got F1 to come back to it and it's held some magnificent races. As you say, the amount of demo runs they do in the loud and proud race cars is not to be underestimated.

    I like how red bull came to the sport. F1 was fun derived, it took itself very serious...then RBR comes along and makes a big party out of it all. No suits and serious faces. Loud parties and fun. It starts at the build up off the motorhomes and doesn't stop until it's all taken down. A complete breath of fresh air.

    Their drink is ****ing awful though:p
     
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  15. Mitch Alsup

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  16. Giallo 550

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    The difference is that Mercedes was finishing 45 seconds ahead of their closest competitor. Verstappen finished a second ahead of Sainz, so it’s a non-issue.
     
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  17. william

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    Your advocacy is quite convincing.

    After years of hesitation, I start to take RB more seriously now. It's the best performing team of these last 2 years

    Their cars are always top, and the organisation is mostly flawless (pit stop, strategy, etc ...).

    Max isn't so rough anymore, I consider him the fastest on the grid. Perez, I like since his McLaren days.

    But Horner and Marko are more difficult to accept. They are ruining the image.
     
  18. Mitch Alsup

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    Are you not one of the people who has been saying its the car not the driver for umpteen years ?
     
  19. Mitch Alsup

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    I was just thinking yesterday, the RB dominance is just as boring as Mercedes dominance.
     
  20. Mitch Alsup

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    Late race safety car does that.
    a) bunches up the field
    b) new tires for most.
     
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  21. Mitch Alsup

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    Yves Montand " There is no horrible way to win: there is only wining" 1967 "Grand Prix" Monaco Casino Race Museum
     
  22. william

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    Maybe you are right, but people get tired when the winner is too predictable, which happens when a team dominates.
     
  23. jgonzalesm6

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    It's the car plus the rules and regulations.
     
  24. trumpet77

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    Any team dominating for years is boring...unless it's YOUR team!

    -Anyway, sorry for Haas to have such a bad race.
    -I think Sainz was doing what he could, but the car is just that little bit slower than the RB in race pace. The commentators on F1 TV are some good calm guys, but holy cow, the last 10 laps they found about 50 ways to say "Here comes Sainz..." and kept talking about Sainz. Good enough for a Ferrari fan, but it was obvious the defending world champ would win it.
    -The Tsunoda crash might have been a suspension thing, but the reply just looks like the left front doesn't turn the INSTANT the tire is on the grass, plus on the replays from over head he was carrying way too much speed out of pit. One of the broadcasters mentioned it, and they showed another car at pit out, TSU clearly too fast. They also pointed out that one part of the race you don't practice much is how fast to come out of the pit (like in Canada) when there is a turn immediately.
     

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