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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Stats before the hybrid era-->Yes he did have "stats" before the hybrid era BUT nothing compared to the hybrid era.

    Rosberg got tired of being a #2 driver hence his rebellion in 2016 and Rosberg got what he wanted-'-> a WDC title.

    Bottas is the kind of driver Lewis and Mercedes wants, a "butler" or "rear-gunner" for Lewis. A classic #2 driver. Russell exploited Bottas weakness at Sakhir2020.
     
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  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Okay, I got that mixed up. I thought it was qualifying and the race.

    Thanks
     
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  3. ricksb

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    Right, Alonso blocked the pitlane as an attempt to make Hamilton miss his final run due to their on-circuit clash where Alonso felt he was impede by Hamilton (even though he had the pole time at that point). It usually takes two to tango though.
     
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  4. RobertJRB

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    My point being, making all these claims you post here say little to nothing if you don’t take in account what really happened.
    I could claim Bottas was the better driver at Baku because he beat Hamilton. Just looking at the results. We all know Bottas was nowhere near Hamilton and drove an awful race while Hamilton only lost because of one error.
    If you don’t want to nitpick than don’t use those stats as prove.
     
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  5. william

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    Any dominance is only temporary, but you cannot blame a team or a driver if they enjoy it !

    There is no "ifs" and "buts", Mercedes and Hamilton dominated the last 7 years, making better use of the rules than others.
     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    No argument there BUT said rules "tied the competition's hand behind their back."

    I'm aware that all teams agreed to the rules and regulations but it was'nt fair from a competitive standpoint...hence the term domination is coined in this turbo hybrid era.
     
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    Hardly an average driver early on no?
    Interestingly- by year 2 he had more wins than, dare I say, Gilles Villeneuve?;)


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  8. jgonzalesm6

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  9. william

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    The rules were the same for any team. It happened that Mercedes had a better engine from the outset.

    The other teams couldn't complain about rules they had helped to write !
     
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    It’s on purpose [emoji23]


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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I get all that. The rules hampered PU development for the other teams to progress for the sake of costs (which was not the case).

    Look how long it took Honda, along with RedBull, to beat Mercedes. (currently)

    Mercedes, along with Lewis, currently are'nt so dominant. Had these rules and regulations been fair, would Lewis and Mercedes have their dominant titles reduced???
     
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  12. william

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    These "unfair" rules were accepted by all, so that cannot be invoked by the other team if they couldn't catch up Mercedes.

    Why Renault, Ferrari, Mercedes and Honda subscribed to the token system, the limit of PUs per season is hard to understand.

    Mercedes designed the best engine and lived from that advantage for years.
     
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    Agreed on all 3 points.
     
  14. Beau365

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    Bottas is the greatest team mate ever :D
     
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    Agree, we cannot blame the driver for dominant Mercedes.

    We blame a compliant Todt for aiding Wolff's agenda.
     
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    Yes Mercedes were the only manufacturer with an unlimited budget that developed 3 different PU's for final selection, with a 7 year run up before 2014. All part of their road car ambitions. Other teams were unaware of this advantage, and agreed without full disclosure from Mercedes.

    FIA then locked down development from 2014.

    Job done !
     
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  17. william

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    You cannot blame Mercedes for having more foresight and being more clever than the other constructors.
     
  18. Bas

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    There is no ''blame''. They're simply stating a fact. Mercedes enjoyed an enormous advantage, the reason behind it is irrelevant in this discussion,
     
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  19. william

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    It could have been Renault, or Ferrari, and we would still have the same discussion!

    Every new formula brings a team to the front, and the others playing catch up.

    The restrictions on development only amplify the advantage, and create a domination.

    That system should be abandonned, but it's probably the reason for budget cap.
     
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  20. 375+

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    As should the formula.
     
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    Ultimately we can blame Jean Todt for being compliant with Wolff's agenda.

    8 years into Hybrid we now have some sustainable competition at the front.

    Enjoy while it lasts !
     
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  22. william

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    I have an issue with the chassis and the aero rules, but none about the turbo hybrid engines.

    If it wasn't for the token system it would have been alright, IMO.
     
  23. DF1

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    Yet we hear Todt was aligned with them. Where is the proof of this alignment. All teams under the same rules. They do not protest or even dare speak out for such alignment that only benefits Mercedes? At times in the past Ferrari 'owned' the FIA. Now Mercedes or is it RedBull now that owns the FIA with this high rake rule to benefit mostly them. Enough conspiracy lol. Proof!

    Here are the viewing numbers for 2020. Not the end of the world for Liberty given a shorter than normal series last year due to pandemic. Also this is not a weak report overall. Yes a louder more exciting engine will help but the series real challenge is not the near term or era but the future vs the overall power of the motor to be used. The next configuration 2025 and beyond. The world moves to E in rapid fashion with many countries to ban ICE power by 2030 or 35. The question is what does F1 do or does it become FE+.............

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-announces-tv-and-digital-audience-figures-for-2020.3sbRmZm4u5Jf8pagvPoPUQ.html
     
  24. DeSoto

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    Well, I don´t want to enter the tin foil hat area, but Montezemolo, Ecclestone and others appointed that Mercedes forced these rules against the will of the rest. They were working on them way before they were approved: they knew beforehand that it was going to be their way or the highway. So for me it´s quite clear that Mercedes had an "unfair advantage" at the beginning of the turbo era.

    Having said that, enough time has passed to catch them. And the others could have chosen the highway: F1 could live without Mercedes.
     
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  25. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Id have said barrichelo when he gifted Schumacher a few victories


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