Formula 1 circuits

Consider this if you will

Everyone talks about Mr. Ecclestone and how he has so much control over various things, some people have said he has control over race tracks but.................

What about
Hockenheim, Germany
A-1 Ring, Austria
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Magny Cours or Paul Ricard, France
Gilles Villeneuve, Canada
Indianapolis, USA
Long Beach, USA
Estoril, Spain
Silverstone or Brands Hatch, UK
Mugello, Italy

There's 10 to begin with, right ?

 

Finding tracks wouldn't really be an issue, there are plenty of "F1" level tracks worldwide. The only one I can see on your list that could never be an F1 track is Long Beach-that is simply converted street roads and there is no F1 style paddock/pits.

 

Indianapolis and now Paul Ricard are up to FIA F1 standards. So is Silverstone. Instead of Mugello, I would suggest Imola. I thought I read that Montreal needs much work to be up to current standards. They use Estoril for testing so you would think it is up to par. Long Beach is as was said, a street circuit. I don't know about the rest.

The key will be if any contractual issues would prevent the use of these tracks.

 

Unfortuantely Ricard is total ****. I really hate that track. No flow at all.

 

Sherman, set the way-back machine for: (I'm not including Jarama, as it was dropped for being too narrow)

Imola, (San Marino)
Brands Hatch, UK
Dijon-Prenois, France
Watkin's Glen, USA
Zandvoort, Netherlands
Hermanos Rodríguez, Mexico City
Kyalami, South Africa
...which was a FOCA only event in 1981 under the "World Federation of Motorsport" breakaway series.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA-FOCA_war
Except back then, it was Bernie (at Brabham) leading FOCA against FIA's FISA.

It's deja vu all over again.

The result was the '81 Concorde Agreement.
And how Bernie and Max got into the FIA in the first place.

 

Ricard is owned by Eccelstone.

 

And just completed a rehab in order to be considered for the French GP. The Glen is owned by NASCAR (France family), and I am not sure what their relationship with Ecclestone. The Glen is just too far away from a lot of hotel rooms.

This excercise is interesting, but that is all it is. There will not be a breakway series.

 

Sorry mate but Estoril is in Portugal and not in spain!!!

 

Round 1: Rio de Janiero
Round 2: Kyalami, South Africa
Round 3: Dubai
Round 4: San Marino
Round 5: Monaco
Round 6: Jerez
Round 7: Estoril
Round 8: Montreal
Round 9: Indy
Round 10: Mexico City
Round 11: Silverstone
Round 12: Magny Cours
Round 13: Hockenheim
Round 14: A-1 Ring, Austria
Round 15: Fuji, Japan
Round 16: Adelaide, Australia

 

The purpose of the thread was to name tracks which arn't controlled by Eccelstone though wasn't it? Therefore allowing the cars to race.

 

Laguna Seca

 

Haha I was thinking it, but it would need a LOT of work to be an F1 track and I doubt Mazda is willing to put that much into it. Plus it is kind of in the middle of BFE

 

I agree but it is a great track and the Historics and Pebble Beach pull it off every year on the same weekend. You have Monterey right there and there are loads of hotels in the surrounding communities.

I wonder how much of this "FIA Spec" that the circuits must meet was just another way for Bernie to get money out of the tracks and make sure that he have the most money making opportunities over the race weekend. I am thinking about having 5 star hospitality facilities that he can charge for.

 

Indeed, you are quite right, in my albeit humble estimation, I would say most if not all of the current Formula 1 track reg's are about BE trying to make himself more money.

Tifosiron, just playing hipothetically, not suggesting any more than that.

Certainly the middle east and far east legal systems would not worry about BE's clout, the King (Emir ?) of Dubai will follow the money, the manufacturer teams, whatever the hell they want, and what recourse would BE have, sue the Emir ??????, Rightttttttttt

It would be the European tracks that would be cautious, but if the teams offered the tracks that dont currently have a BE contract to host a race a better deal, ie $30 mil per track per race vs. zip for the new championship well which offer would you take. ?????????

All my 2 c

 

It just struck me:

Consider the irony if, in order to start up a new series while avoiding Bernie in the EU, the break-away revived a USGP, (plus Canada and maybe Mexico City) ....

... while USF1 is linked to a series racing in Singapore and India, with no North American appearances.

 

Why would a new series that wants no part of the MaxBernie show, need to be up to FIA F1 standards

They will be making their own standards

If it went ahead they would keep most of the races in Europe and prob cull a few races for the 1st season anyway. I wouldn't assume a full 16+ race season. 10 races would be more than enough, while they are at it, get rid of the lame points system..

 

The main reason the points system is lame is that it was devised for a six to nine race season where every point was crucial.

When you have 18 to 20 races, and a total of around 100 points in a season, a two point difference isn't worth risking your race for.

If you reduce to 10 races, the points wouldn't be quite as lame -- although they do need to get back to more than two points between first and second.