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FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2012: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Interesting read including this short part---

    The first-glance perception might be that Ferrari lost the race to McLaren, but the reality was that Hamilton's fight for victory was actually with Grosjean and, given the Lotus' straight-line speed, the McLaren would probably have been unable to recover the lead of the race had he returned to the track behind the Frenchman.

    http://planetf1.com/race-features/7806444/Conclusions-From-Canadian-GP
     
  2. schumacherf2006

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    +600!!

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  3. schumacherf2006

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    I would rather have grooved tires back than what I am seeing now. Or how about make 2 damn compounds

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  4. DF1

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    From PlanetF1.com: Ah speed and tires were a factor in LH's win. He went for speed Per the article.....kinda old school id say......drive fast, change tires, drive fast...the tire angle people are putting out with Pirelli as some evil empire does not apply here. Unless you are Ferrari and are STUPID enough to NOT change tires and then DRIVE FAST!

    "The trump card for racing activists, meanwhile, was that Hamilton's strategy of speed was the winning one. Though preservation - of tyres, of engines, of machinery, of concentration - has always been part of F1 and always will be, the pinnacle of motorsport should always have pace as its primary point. And Hamilton's was outstanding throughout. "

    http://planetf1.com/race-features/7806444/Conclusions-From-Canadian-GP
     
  5. 410SA

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    With Ferrari assuming the lead after the first round of pit stops, it's hard to understand how they lost it a lap later. Is the McLaren that much better or is Ham better than Fred?
    They were all on the same tires and Alonso was not held up by anyone coming out of the pits. Terrific pit strategy thrown away for no reason.
     
  6. TifosiUSA

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    Ferrari's top speed was poor and McLaren's was among the best. That plus an unusually effective DRS zone equalled the result we saw. To say that LH is "better" than Fred based off one pass that anyone could have made (much higher top speed/DRS and just drive right on by) is not a very objective view to take on the situation.
     
  7. 410SA

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    if Ferrari's top speed was lacking then it is an engineering issue, not a driver or team strategy problem. The team did what they needed to do - they got ahead after the pit stops. The car let them down. Pathetic for a team with such huge resources and sponsor financial support.
     
  8. TifosiUSA

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    No one is labelling the Ferrari as the class of the field this year, far from it. That honor probably goes to McLaren (pace wise, not strategy/pit wise) and Red Bull/Lotus have also been quicker overall. FA has had to work very hard to put the F2012 in a competitive position.

    It's deficiencies related to top speed have been well-documented throughout the course of the year and Ferrari knew they would struggle for pace at Montreal since the track does not suit the car.
     
  9. VIZSLA

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    The car is still the weak link. Until it comes good they have to rely on Alonso and luck.
     
  10. 410SA

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    I agree. So who is responsible? The Principal? Montezemolo? The team head engineers for each car?
    Someone has to be be liable
     
  11. Far Out

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    Those who specified the 2012 car and made the design decisions.
     
  12. VIZSLA

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    Pirelli. ;)

    It's never easy to assign blame in these things but I suspect that they were caught flat footed when the initial exhaust design was nixed by the FIA shortly before the season started. That was such an integral aspect of the total design a quick fix was impossible.
    If thats the case whoever decided to go that route bears responsibility.

    In any case a fish smells from the head down and the buck should stop at the big desk in Maranello.
     
  13. DF1

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    Its Massa. Its all Massa these days. Come on guys! :) Thinking of Chevy Chase in 'Fletch' in the aircraft hangar scene.
     
  14. TifosiUSA

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    Massa surely isn't helping the cause, considering that he sucks.
     
  15. VIZSLA

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    That's his role.
    He distracts attention from the true malefactors.
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  16. Alexweav79

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    I thought it was a predictable race. Seven winners in seven races is artificial and represents nothing that F1 use to stand for. I watch F1 for 1 reason: the best drivers in the world in the fastest cars in the world going all out. Sometimes that can be boring and I get that, but that's what happens when a team and driver gets it right. Watching these guys go at 85% of the their abilities and cars abilities is a mockery of F1. If you want to watch manipulated racing, go watch NASCAR.

    I think that if everyone wants tires to play such an important role, they should bring back tire wars.

    BTW FOX sucked...again.

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  17. TexasF355F1

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    I'm sort of new to F1, can you, or someone, explain what exactly sucked about the coverage?

    Wasn't it the same commentators as normal?
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    When FOX airs the races you get commentary geared at the F1 newbies and a lot more commercial breaks. Both of which detract from the enjoyment.
     
  19. vinuneuro

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    Anyone who says Felipe isn't costing the team just needs to look at the WCC. Ferrari isn't even currently third.

    I'd imagine that replacing Domenicalli and Felipe with one that isn't a tool and one that actually has promise might bring the renewed energy to the team it needs. Alonso can only do so much.
     
  20. ricksb

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    Alonso came out neck-and-neck with Hamilton on warm tires. Hamilton had optimum grip, Alonso's tires probably didn't have enough heat yet. I don't think it's anything more than that. Hamilton was relentless in making the pass before Alonso could settle in.
     
  21. TexasF355F1

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    I got ya.

    I definitely noticed a lot more commercials.

    Guess I'm unclear on the commentary since I'm kinda a newb. lol. I just recently got Speed so I was only able to watch a handful of races per year.
     
  22. freshmeat

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    Thank God I was able to watch it on Sky.
     
  23. Rock

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    I was there, and did ferrari reveal who made the call for a one stopper?
     
  24. VIZSLA

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    Fix't
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  25. David Lind

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    I wholeheartedly agree that the FOX coverage consumed fecal matter.
     

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