FORMULA 1 GRANDE PREMIO HEINEKEN DO BRASIL 2018 INTERLAGOS GRAND PRIX: RACE-DAY ***SPOILERS***

Thanks J. In my interpretation of the video, Ocon did nothing wrong. His car was almost side to side with Max's car when they entered the second turn, and Max knew Ocon was there, but still Max decided to get as close as possible to the Apex......where Ocon was....therefore Max caused the collision.

 

In other words.....Max thinking is always.....How dare you be where I want to be?

 

You realize this was not a pass for position but the race leader lapping a back marker?

If this was for position, then yes, Max had to give room (as Bottas did to Ricci in the same turn). But this was lapping a car. Never ever had a leader to "fight" for lapping a car. This is ridiculous.

 

Andreas
If there is a rule stating Ocon should have moved over and let Max go and take his foot off the pedal, even though Ocon was faster, OR, if Ocon was given a Blue flag, then I would agree 100% with you and blame Ocon for imposing an unnecessary dispute.
Is there such a rule? Was there a blue flag?
This is an honest questiom I am more than willing to change my mind if there is a reason for it
However, regardless of what your answer might be, it is hard to contest the fact that Max moved over to the Apex knowingly and caused the collision, even if Ocon shouldn't have been there

 

I don't usually comment on these things. I have no dog in this fight. Simply a Ferrari fan.

Ocon had the pace in this case and had every right to unlap himself. I don't know how many times Max has made the same/similar moves on other drivers, particularly Mercedes and Ferrari, and got the position because they simply backed off, not wanting to have their race ruined. Max does this repeatedly because he is typically the one with nothing to lose.

The same maneuver was attempted on him yesterday and he did not know how to deal with it. He assumed his competitor would back off, as has happened so many times previously. He lost perspective in that HE was now battling a competitor with nothing to lose.

I hope that Max learns from this. I think he is a phenomenal driver, but at times does not race others fairly.

Kevin

 

Ocon may well have been faster than Max on that lap, but he was never going to be anything other than temporarily unlappped before max would be coming passed again. Anyone can see that. Under those circumstances, going for the pass was completely pointless and overall would most likely have cost time when forced to get out of the way under blue flags. The technicalities of the pass are also clear cut. At no point is Ocon ahead of max. Never. So given that he had never completed the pass and that he would have to give the position back shortly after, Ocon should have lifted and let max go. Instead he chose to believe he was somehow racing for the lead of the race and directly caused an unnecessary collision. He was lucky to get a 10 second penalty, and should have been black flagged immediately.

Ocon is obviously not smart enough for F1. Fortunately, it doesn’t look like he’ll be able to cause more mayhem next year despite the best efforts of Mercedes to help him.

 

You do realise that when max is in these marginal overtake situations, it’s because he’s racing for position? Ocon wasn’t racing for position - he was unlapping himself. As such, he owes the car in front a duty of care to avoid interfering with that cars race. He did not. The stewards agreed. This is not debatable.

 

This.

In fact I would go after his F1 racing license, but then again he won't need that anymore soon enough.

Good riddance.

 

I'm fairly new to F1. If this is a rule, then I stand corrected. Otherwise he was raced, possibly for the first time, like he races others. He seemed shocked that his opponent didn't get out of his way as he has become accustomed.

Kevin

 

Ocon was not his opponent, Ocon was a backmarker that should not try to race the race leader because he has better tires for a few laps.
On average Ocon was 2 secs a lap slower than MV. Also a ridiculous suggestion by the FI team that he should try to unlap.

 

Ah, you are wrong. Drivers are allowed to unlap themselves if they are given the opportunity. It's not Ocon's duty to red carpet a front runner. For Force India, points = millions of dollars that they need. No driver owes any other driver anything; you want a pass? Earn it. LewHam and Seb and Kimi have been passing these guys many many times all season without incident, yet Max always does these dumb clipping aggressive moves for no reason. He took the win off himself, not Ocon. Max clipped Ocon and paid the price. Max has a long standing reputation as a bully driver, and he can't stand it when someone gives his own medicine back.

 

+33

Add to that a team manager who goes on live TV commenting that Ocon was absolutely right. The Sky commentators were polite to him (Sferznauer IIRC) but clearly and in unisom stated that they totally disagreed with him.

 

You have web cam in my house ???
Scary.
Feelings mixed at the moment. I recall berating certain posters as "surrender monkeys" after Germany, maybe I should have said "Cheese eating realists".
What is clear is we are going to need a ****ing good car next year and far better strategy.

 

Hamilton may be good but he’s also the luckiest guy in F1. Had the race handed to him by a back marker and why was he not penalized for almost hitting 2 cars on the same lap in quali?

 

you guys think Mercedes will go for a 6th WDC and 6th WCC in 2019? what about the rumors of MB being satisfied with this show of competence and leaving F1?

 

It wasn't though, it was a backmarker attempting to unlap himself.

 

Right, like that matters.

 

Err, no.

It was a driver trying to unlao himself from the leader who was slower than him, at this point.

It's perfectly allowed to unlap oneself, but obviously Max objected to it, and didn't leave enough room.

 

It's racing, and it's allowed.

 

I have yet to see a rule saying you cannot unlap yourself in a race.

Having said that, it's the way the overtaking is executed that matters; with today's cars, you need the cooperation of both drivers to obtain a clean pass.

It didn't happen this time. I question why Verstappen was resisting so much as he was 1 lap ahead of Ocon,and leading the race.

There was no need for Verstappen to make things difficult, and I consider he is the architect of his own downfall.

It's not enough to be fast, you also have to use your head.

 

Exactly

 

I think Hamilton said it best:

In the green room before the podium ceremony, Hamilton told Verstappen that Ocon had the right to unlap himself. Verstappen agreed, but added: "But you can't crash." Hamilton responded: "You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose."

 

By the way, this ability of a team to electronically fix a car without bringing it in gets on my tits (I refer to Elton's supposed exhaust issue).
A skilled driver ability to nurse a breaking car home used to be a thing, now its just a bunch of nerds in the UK on computers turning things up and turning things down.