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  1. P.Singhof

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    Depends on whether you would call a stupid undercut attempt in race 1 giving Seb a bad strategy "a team interference". Until then Seb was actually faster...
     
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    At the start of the race i would imagine that both cars were on similar high power probably flat out trying to catch the Merc's.

    Vettel had DRS which would give him 15-20 kph advantage at the end of the zone. ..enough to drift past Leclerc on the long straights in Shanghai.So why didn't he do it?With the DRS wide open he just sat there behind Leclerc .

    If he really had to ask if is he allowed to make a pass on anyone including his team mate then Ferrari might as well just quit now.

    Would like to hear the full pit radio.
     
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  3. P.Singhof

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    If it is soo easy just to "drift past" the one in front, why don´t we see tons of overtaking every weekend???
    Max was coming with DRS and did he pass Seb? No, so why do you think it is that easy? As seen in the comment of Leclerc it is not so easy to follow the one in front to be near enough without ruining your tires. So when even Charles had the impression Seb was faster, why do you call it whining when Seb points that out?
    Seb did nothing wrong yesterday but still people bang on him...
     
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  4. william

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    I couldn't agree more !

    This isn't racing anymore, but a choregraphy orchestrated from the pitwall.
     
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    There was a load of overtaking in Bahrain. Max did just manage to pass Vettel under DRS even with a big power disadvantage ,but couldn't make it stick.

    Leclerc was royally shafted by his 'team', that is the only way Vettel could finish on the podium.
     
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  6. P.Singhof

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    And how many overtakings did you see by identical cars on identical tires? Max was able to get there because his tires were on temperature and Sebs were fresh...
     
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    They should put this guy in Vettel's car .
     
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  9. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Now in front of Leclerc, Vettel could not keep up the pace his team-mate had when he was in front - he was lapping in the mid-one minute 39s, while Leclerc had generally been in the high 38s. Leclerc sat behind, just a little bit further back than Vettel had been behind him.
     
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  10. P.Singhof

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    If Leclerc was faster that moment, why didn´t he just "drift by" with DRS enabled? :rolleyes:
     
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    Because he had just been told to let the special one past!

    He then told the team that he was losing time and what now ?

    Team say 'we are looking at it '
     
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  12. P.Singhof

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    "The special one", formerly known as "Psych"... I am glad that you are so objective :rolleyes:
    Fact: apart from Bahrain Charles was NEVER faster than Seb...
     
  13. william

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    I hope the Italian media today crucify Binotto for this stupid team order.
    They like to comment on the Scuderia's performance after each race, and analyse them in detail.
    Binotto took the steam out of Leclerc for the rest of the race, IMO.
    What's the point of trying, if you are sacrificed ?
     
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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2019/04/15/ferrari-have-made-mess-decision-favour-sebastian-vettel-charles/

    This is the UK version ..i would imagine the Italian version will be similar.
     
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  15. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Except in Melbourne ,when he made up 12 seconds on Vettel ,yes Vettel had problems and was SLOW but they still ordered Leclerc to stay behind .

    They might as well tie one arm behind his back or put blinkers on him.
     
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  16. 635CSI

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    All views on the team orders/Seb/Charles affair are subjective and academic until we find the speed in the car to take on Mercedes.
     
  17. P.Singhof

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    How reasonable :rolleyes:
     
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    I say hog wash. I like Leclerc as much as anyone, but He's in his 2nd year of F-1. Vettel is 4 x WDC etc.... and Ferrari can and should implement team orders on the driver they think / want to be World Champion. If Leclerc over the season just simply drives away from Vettel then they can change that ... but I did not see Leclerc pulling away from Vettel .. they were at best in lock step. Ferrari have to work to get Vettel a better car one that he can feel fully confident in. I also hope Ferrari will not fall into believing that Leclerc is going to be a world champion this year... because that is a huge long shot... the same thing happened with Prost and Alesi.... and Alesi in the end was not able to deliver against all the hype, and Ferrari pushed out Prost for telling them reality.

    This article is just stirring up problems.

    Leclerc is doing great - he needs to settle in ... ignore the press as much as possible and learn from Vettel and the team... I do see him able to be 3-4th in the championship this year, which is great.
     
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    Not really. They've already left points on the table by not letting them race.
     
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  20. william

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    The Telegraph article is very good. Thanks for that.

    I really would like to be a fly on the wall during post-race debriefing at the Scuderia and listen to the arguments.
    We miss that now that everybody is trained to be very PC during interviews, but I guess that in private, the expletives must fly !
     
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  21. DeSoto

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    Well, for Binotto it was a smart move: everybody is talking about who should have ended third instead of about why we can't finish first. Jeez, give me a break.

    I'm more worried about that front wing. Does it work or not?
     
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  22. Bas Jaski

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    Yep, Australia Vettel was miles ahead until his problem.
     
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  23. william

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    Ferrari is not doing itself any favour by deciding who should be world champion. Racing should decide that.

    What matters is today's form of Leclerc and Vettel.

    Vettel cannot rely for ever on his 4 WDCs to get preferential treatment, not should he be favoured for that.
    That's all in the past, when he was in his early 20s, and a lot of water has gone Under the bridge since.
    It looks very much that Vettel is already a fading star, witness the many mistakes he makes on the track.
    Vettel is older now, a family man, and his hunger is less; it's the same for Kimi.
    What matters is Vettel's speed and racecraft TODAY, not 10 years ago.
    This has to be tested against Leclerc's, not by holding the Young driver back.

    If Vettel feel "protected" somehow, why should he push?
    And if Leclerc is restricted, why should he try ?
    Both issues don't serve Ferrari very well.
     
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  24. P.Singhof

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    Bas, please do not let get facts in your way... we have such a nice Seb bashing going on at the moment ;)
    PS: without Seb Ferrari would have won numerous WDC and WCC in the last years, just as they did before with Alonso... oh wait...
     
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  25. william

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    #525 william, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM
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    It seems that once more Ferrari has been carried away with euphoria after the pre-season tests at Barcelona.

    They left with the impression that they had a winner, and the last 3 races brought them back to reality.

    "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"* as say the French.

    * What goes around, comes around.
     
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