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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Beautiful weather all 3 days.

    Practice starts in just under 4 hours and 20 minutes at time of post.

    Oops, my bad, only Practice 1 and 2 only.
     
  2. WPOZZZ

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    Such a weird schedule this weekend.
     
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  3. DF1

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    Silly sprint-mess weekend! :)
     
  4. DF1

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    Oh joyness -

    F1 considering standalone sprint race plan for 2022
    By: Jonathan Noble
    Sep 10, 2021, 4:21 AM
    Formula 1 is evaluating a revamp of sprint races for 2022, making them complete standalone Saturday events rather than a way to decide the grid for the main grand prix.
     
  5. jgonzalesm6

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    Hamiltons engine that failed in Zandvoort FP2 is not usable anymore. Mercedes will have to fit his car with new PU elements at some point to be safe till the end of the season. That will result in a penalty.
     
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  7. Bas

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    I thought the was the first ICE that wasn't being raced anymore, just put in rotation for practices?
     
  8. Bas

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    Well that makes more sense to me than the stupid ''qualifying race'' that we've got now.

    Have FP3 as the qualifying, then a sprint race with reduced points, for the main race reverse grid (first 8). Or something.
     
  9. jgonzalesm6

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    yep
     
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  10. WPOZZZ

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    Just tuned in on streameast. It is on a loop and now frozen.
     
  11. ingegnere

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    Reading that the Sky feed is frozen.
     
  12. ingegnere

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    #12 ingegnere, Sep 10, 2021
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    Ferrari looked to be using the pretty big RW seen in scrutineering yesterday.

    Bigger wing should not be an issue in qualy sim and qualy (because of DRS) but in the race they’ll be sitting ducks on the straight unless they can build a gap to pursuers.
     
  13. Bas

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    Bottas matching max but he's on medium.

    Red Bull best off taking a penalty for max here (engine). They're not going to win this one regardless.

    I take it FIA not interested in moving the sensor in thr Mercedes? They sure don't act so quick when it's to do with them. With ferrari they could stick enough sensors on and for red Bull they could ban the wing quick enough. Hmmm.
     
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  14. WPOZZZ

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    Ham .452 faster than Max, but Ham on Med, Max on Softs.
     
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    Hambone on the mediums ?
     
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    Damm, VER almost half a second slower on softs than HAM on mediums. :(
     
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  17. Bas

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    Yes. Merc dominating here
     
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  18. classic308

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    FIA will always bow to MB. Binotto’s comments re both MB and RB were spot on. FIA telling MB how to make DAS legal was everything I needed to know about the Relationship.

    this is a horsepower track and the MB is still the most powerful engine. I think that RB may have to take a look at changing Max’s engine.
     
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  19. jpalmito

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    The Mercedes power unit is far ahead the Honda.
    Its combination power/reliability/consumption is out of reach for the Japanese.
     
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    Reading that HAM picked up a tow worth 0.3 on his fast lap but still (M) vs (S) delta.
     
  21. ingegnere

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    +1000

    Not to mention letting Merc use the advantage for a year before banning it as illegal. Disgusting.

    With everyone else, especially Ferrari, it’s “assume guilty unless proven otherwise” and even then it’s still assumed guilty.
     
  22. Bas

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    Absolutely 100%. Red Bull extremely unlikely to win here, unless something happens to Lewis. In which case they might as well take the engine penalty. P5 should be possible and if he gets lucky with a Safety car, who knows? Another possibility was Russia, another Merc Stronghold but it's easier to overtake there.
     
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    Nothing would be out of reach if liberal development was allowed. MB had a huge advantage and the token stupidity, etc. only guaranteed their dominance.
     
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    Frankly, I don’t think that’s the problem.
    The truth is that neither Ferrari, Renault nor Honda have invested as much financially and humanely in the hybrid power unit project compared to Mercedes.
    Removing tokens is useless if you can’t fight at the investment level.
     
  25. jgonzalesm6

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    You don't think Honda, with all their cars, SUV's, weedeaters, generators, lawnmowers, jets DON'T have the investment level???

    Do you have any idea how many PU's Honda went thru while with McLaren on an annual basis to include bench-testing while entering this turbo-hybrid era in 2015 thru 2017??

    Had it not been for the token system and engine freezes, POSSIBLY Honda and maybe possibly Ferrari and Renault would have caught up to Mercedes. Honda turned it around in 7 years.....of those 7 years were 3 years with Mclaren that wouldn't budge TO INCLUDE the token system and engine freezes.

    Honda definitely has/had the capital investment to also include free engines and paid salary to the drivers.
     

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