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  1. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Ducati demonstrated Italians can dominate in a Motorsport.
    Ferrari just lack the right people in different areas.
    Key people.
    Binotto work this year seems unfinished.
    Next year ..
     
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  2. johnireland

    johnireland F1 Veteran
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    Well, just when you don't think it can get worse, and Ferrari proves you wrong. With the boys it Red, it can always get worse. Putting them aside (where they belong), I was shocked at how many times traffic was in the way of overtaking cars in FP1. I had to cringe a few times it was so close to a crash...several hairy moments. Happy for Kevin...he really works hard. I wonder if there is a team on the grid (outside of Ferrari) who would hire Binotto or any of his fools? Impossible to imagine how he still has a job. Thank god there's only one week between these last two races. I'll bet Sainz is desperately looking for another team. And Ferrari could save a lot of money replacing him with Latifi.
     
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  3. JWeiss

    JWeiss F1 Veteran
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    I suppose if the rain had progressed about 10 minutes sooner, then the early inter lap may have proved to be the winner. But, jeez, a million to one shot…. Painful to watch.
     
  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    It's always "Next year" !! :rolleyes:

    Even when they don't win, Ducati are never pathetic ...
     
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  5. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Have you seen the aero on these bikes?
     
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  6. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran
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    Ferrari: Nah, too simple, not clever enough. We’re slow now but we’ll be fast (though not faster) later, LOL.
     
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  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Ah I actually already forgot about the stupid No tyres at the pitstop and pitcrew casually walking around with another set of tyres during quali...whilst Leclerc is sitting on jackstand and Sainz behind waiting! All over shadowed by putting the car on inters when it's dry.

    For Ferrari to win a title they'll need an actual rocketship half a second + clear of the rest just to cover up the constant ****ing mistakes!
     
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  8. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Usually rocket ships are generally helped by top pit crew.
    Everything work together.
    I really fear next year will be painful for us.
     
  9. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Radio Transmission from Leclerc and Xavi:


    Charles: "Am I the only one on inters?"
    Xavier: "Yes we believe so."
    Charles: "Ah what do you want me to do? Do you want me to push for the lap if the rain is not coming."
    Xavier: "We come back to you."
    Xavier: Will come back to you.
    Charles: There is absolutely no rain for now.
    Xavier: Raining in Turn 12 we believe.
    Charles: Yes but not enough! Let me know.
    Xavier: I will let you know.
    Charles: Tell me quickly.
    Xavier: Box now, box now.
    Charles: Nice. Nice one.




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    My opinion? That last comment from Charles said it all, and then the chat with Mekies and his body language how he walked off, he's absolutely ****ing done with the absolute idiots in charge.
     
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  10. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Ferrari isn't creating a rocketship next year. Next year will be full of pain.
     
  11. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    They are the only engine manufacturer and team to not develop and move forward the split-turbo hybrid design. Everyone else has followed suit.
     
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  12. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    Nahh, the 499p will be good!
     
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  13. 375+

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    Wrecking Ball Russell again screws the pooch(and 7 other qualifiers) and suffers no consequences. P3 for George, well done laddie!
     
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  14. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I mean, one of the big reasons why the Honda engine was so dogshit during Mclaren years was for packaging reasons, they had to go small turbo. This was abandoned the moment they moved to RB/STR. Internally they had debates with Mclaren, Honda wanting to go bigger turbos and have some compromise on Mclaren's side...who refused.

    Ferrari, in all their wisdom...has now picked up this turbo strategy.

    The mind boggles.
     
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  15. johnireland

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    "I know the ending to this season is a bit of a downer...but don't worry...we're working at warp speed on the new car, and by 2026...or 27...we'll be hard to beat." - M Binotto.
     
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  16. ingegnere

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    Ferrari gave LEC a fork! Forking morons.
     
  17. watt

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    it seems a plus that in quickest Q2, the Ferraris were right with Max; before the chaos of Q3.
     
  18. gh0st0

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    Max was running used softs on the major of his runs in quali, I thought on new softs he was .250 up on ferrari
     
  19. NeuroBeaker

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    I suspect Ferrari overanalyze every decision until they come up with the correct answer too late to implement it. They haven't really got anyone on the strategy side of things who has an intuitive feel for strategy as conditions change or events unfold, so nobody is making timely calls. So it's not just the things they obviously don't get right, it's the many things they get right too late to make any difference to the outcome. :(

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  20. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Lol…Ferrari sucks! Tremendous for kmag
     
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  21. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Ducati and Rossi were pretty pathetic if you want my humble opinion.
    3 podiums in two years.
    Binotto should change some people or methods with pit crew.
    If he won’t do that he is out next year, simple as that.
     
  22. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    What annoys me it is far from the first time something similar to this has happened...this year! How often do you miss the call for the pit?! It's a very clear graphic that shows exactly where the car is on track...so you know how much time you have to call something in.

    Ferrari made 3 critical errors in 1 session...They are so deeply lost it's incredible.

    Having 1 race without errors feels like a victory these days (and seemingly celebrated by Binotto by calling out other teams for their mistakes, I guess he never heard of the phrase pot kettle...).
     
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  23. Top speed

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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Ferrari engine, except for it being unreliable at the moment, so it can't be run on full beans. There is an argument it is the best engine currently, RB's aero design for less drag makes it a bullet on straights, not simply the Honda engine.

    The biggest problem Ferrari has is the rear suspension that got killed by the midsummer TD. It affects ride hight, set up and the tire degrading, all the big problems the Scuderia have currently; no new floor could have fixed that.The suspension can't be fixed until next season.

    Ferrari's turbo desing works just fine, bar Mexico. Engine department only needs to focus on reliability, the aero guys are the ones that have a lot of work to do in the winter.
     
  24. Spet00

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    Man, Elkann's 2026-mentality is truly leaving marks all across the team, huh? How can you not be devastated, angry, disappointed with the f-up that happened yesterday?
     
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  25. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Have a little look at the TC and compare it to cars running non-Ferrari units. There absolutely is an issue with the PU.

    Smaller TC = more RPM required to deliver the same performance = more unreliability. It's not rocket science.

    But you keep believing. **** it could probably land you a job at the Ferrari team.
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