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FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN GRANDE PRÊMIO DO BRASIL 2019: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. william

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  2. 500tr

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    I for me did not hear any wining from Vettel... But the decision of the stewarts seems to be wise for me :)
     
  3. william

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    When you look for a culprit, you first examine those with previous convictions ...
     
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  4. RWatters

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    You are correct. I watched it again and the radio was from after the incident when he was yelling about the puncture.

    I still put this on Seb. He had the speed advantage and the best line going into the corner. No need to come over on your teammate given the advantage he had.
     
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  5. jpalmito

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    Penalizing Lewis and Mercedes is a shame !
    It must be a mistake..
    Can't believe this !
     
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  6. LamboLover

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    I still don’t know. Watching the clip again, Vettel is on the edge and trailing inward when he touches Charles. If he was being pinched, I’d understand mutual blame, but he wasn’t. Charles was also moving away from the outside with Vettel, Seb. could have easily remained back left but I think his goal was to drive Charles off the ideal line and keep him from trying to make an inside pass.

    Similar to Ham moments before blocking Albon way on the right before the turn.
     
  7. 500tr

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    Ok.
    Seb moved about two meters to the middle of the track. Charles had about 15 meters space to move a little to the left. Pinching from Seb? I do not see that. But again, a wise decision, it was a race incident...
     
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  8. cmos

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    "Mercedes Formula 1 team technical director James Allison has called the decision to give Lewis Hamilton the opportunity to pit under the final safety car in Brazilian “dumb” and a “rookie error.”

    Allison also admits that the team was wrong to put the decision in the hands of the driver himself, especially as Hamilton was given incorrect information on how many places he would lose by stopping."

    Well, at least they own it.
     
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    I need to go find a full replay, this highlights package doesn't mention Gasly till the last corner LOL :eek:

    When Lewis crashes into ppl SKY instantly blames the other driver! :rolleyes:

    Congrats to Max with the win :D

    LOL Vettel

     
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  10. william

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    I thought it was a mistake when the did it.
    It wasn't necessary, and far too late in the race to make a difference.
    Well, it did make a difference, but in the worst possible way !

    Mercedes and Hamilton messed up today it has to be said.
     
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    As a Hamilton fan i'll admit, he drove better last year, 2018 was his best performance ever, best i've seen him drive, nearly zero mistakes, and some epic pole laps. To be fair i didn't think he could replicate such a year
     
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  13. TurboFreak650

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    The race had my full attention from start to finish. :cool:
     
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    Ferrari should release Vettel now. His wrecking and spinning services are not needed for the last race.
     
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    They have dead air with that 30 minute show before the race starts.... why on earth would you ask that old man with the almost einstein hair ANYTHING.
     
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  18. ingegnere

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    Where does it say it's against Leclerc? Are you suggesting the stewards had already decided who was responsible when they summoned the drivers? It's not what the document says and there's probably a similar document for the other (idiot) driver.

    The fact the team representative was there and that the damage was contained within the team they probably asked the stewards to make a the ruling as neutral as possible.

    Problem for me is if Ferrari have not, at this point, determined the uselessness of Vettel they're done. With Honda/RBR improving, they have no hope next year running an idiot like Vettel.
     
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  19. TurboFreak650

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    Further, whoever in senior Ferrari leadership is responsible for Vettel's continued good standing in spite of fail after fail should go. Fatal error in judgment.....
     
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    You are only repeating the comments people have made about Vettel for the last 3 years.
    He came with an impressive record (4 WDCs no less), but since, the has hardly been the spearhead Ferrari needed to lead the team.
    Now, Vettel isn't the same driver he once was but nobody seems to have the courage to tell him at the Scuderia, where he is still Numero Uno.
    It didn't show too much against Kimi, but with Charles Leclerc arrival, the flaws become more obvious.
    It's not being anti-Ferrari to say that; some tifosi come to question his position too.
     
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  21. william

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    Binotto may be acting on orders to protect Vettel. Who knows?
     
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    I blame him based on the fact he moved into LeClerc. And, he has a history of bad racing decisions.
     
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    Consider this my “dislike” button.
     
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    Maybe Vettel should consider stepping aside to preserve his legacy..... F1 history is big to him, maybe he should start thinking about the big picture.
     
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    didn’t Sainz start from P20? Even more impressive!!!

    again, I must say that Albon drove very well today also. Should have been on podium barring a “Ham”-handed pass attempt
     
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