I think "something" might be impeding the esteemed member's ability to reply/retort. Nowadays, I try to steer clear of flame wars and responding to ill-mannered trolls. I just report them. Like I did in this case. God knows I've made mistakes and behaved badly in the past (for which I'm truly sorry). The mods have rightly silenced me for a bit. But I hope I've learned my lessons. Now, it's more fun (and proper) to stay calm, report bad behaviour and see what happens.
Ha, same! It's not his first time doing stuff like that, or make up baseless accusations and when asked for a shred of evidence to back up his statements, he goes into hiding...cool to have disagreements but at least back it up with a counter statement, lol.
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The japanese marshals have a long history of not doing as instructed by the FIA. The tractor drove on track almost instantly. After 2014 I really have no idea how this is not strictly enforced by track management. Surely they would have a very strong emphasis for their mashals to do exactly as the FIA instructs them, not as they are used to do on their own weekends? I know what they do is what they believe is correct (remove the car as quick as possible) but especially in such conditions and how F1 operates, just calm down, wait for the instructions, then do them.
There's also: 1) The tractor needs brighter lights in the rear so everyone can see the tractor under adverse weather conditions. 2) Communication between pitwall and driver given the red flag conditions. 3) Gasly DID have the red light on on his steering wheel-->meaning to slow down. It's kind of a 50/50 deal to me. 50% was the marshals fault and 50% was Gasly's fault. Note: the safety car and F1 cars following the safety car made it around the tractor/marshalls just fine.
@Bas Maybe the FIA should enact an "over-ride" button to slow ALL cars down to a certain speed(say 30mph) under red flag conditions while on track?
Since the FIA likes to penalise any fault, can we expect them to fine heavily the Suzuka track owners, and find out the crane operators to ban them for life of any role in a FIA sanctionned race? I guess not. I expect that incident to be swiftky swept under the carpet not to make waves.
I still don't undersand why the race director cannot by-pass the teams and send instructions by radio messages directly to all the drivers. That would save the pitwall arguing with the race director and delaying instructions (notably in case of black flag! ).
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Agreed on all fronts. There's an onboard somewhere that showed the truck on track long before Gasly came near it...It was already SC at the time so Gasly didn't really have much need to go that fast, he was going to catch the SC train a long time before. He's fully right that the truck had no right to be there, but why was he going that fast? Lets say it was a different type of accident (think something like Grosjean) that required immediate reaction from the marshals, running across the track to help another driver...then he comes across them at the speeds he was doing? I think his punishment is spot on. Gasly is still hot headed quite often, IMO didn't use his head here. Again, fully correct on being angry the truck was on track, but a bit of self reflection on his part is required also. Bad visibility and no need to speed. I think that'll be very dangerous. A sudden ignition/fuel cut can quite easily cause another accident if a driver is in a corner, the sudden interuption of power will upset the balance.
Sorry if repost, no time to read thread: Clear video of crane on track shot by a fan in grandstand across the track: you see the pack go by behind the safety car and then right at the end Pierre blasting by trying to catch up to the pack, getting the fright of his life discovering the crane there. As if the FIA and Suzuka had learned NOTHING from Jules's tragic waste. https://www.lefigaro.fr/sports/formule-1/f1-en-video-les-images-effrayantes-de-la-grue-arrivant-au-milieu-des-monoplaces-a-suzuka-20221010
There is no doubt that putting that truck out was a huge mistake especially with what happened with Bianchi and at JAPAN makes it even more insane. That said Gasly is WAY OUT OF LINE and throwing stones in a glass house to be as dramatic as he was. Claiming that his life was in danger while doing 150 mph under red flag conditions in the rain, he should consider himself lucky that he was not given an immediate license suspension. His actions were much more careless than the deployment of the recovery tractor. Then again maybe he realized his error and figured that waving his arms as he did would direct attention away from it. I think that is wishful thinking because I'm not sure he is that clever.
I'm amazed that there's not more horrific stuff happening sometimes. A series of individual choices or events take place randomly and converge in tragedy. Like in Jules' case, I think the consensus was... as hard as it is to say it... was that there a huge error for him to be going that fast around the double yellow circuit... much like Gasly was doing. I'm just glad nothing bad happened. Blame to go around I guess.
I don't remember that one, but yes, that was pretty intense. Imagine, who drove Sauber in 2002... and seeing the door being open exactly where you're going.
+1 On Haas...Mick was LEADING the race and they where like ''nah, lets wait for a SC''...Had they pitted him the lap after the rest he'd still have scored a very decent haul of points.
Only when it's raining cats and dogs. Anyway, Max is more old school, more grit, which you don't learn. That said, hopefully one of our guys brings an end to the orange army next year.
Respectfully disagree. A different animal, more sensible person. Jos is a brutal guy. Max more similar to Sophie Kumpen his mother.
