Formula 1 is Boring????

Formula 1 racing isn't more exciting or more boring than any other raceseries. I loose interest because these cars are technically so advanced, it makes the driver input virtually invisible for the public.

 

Fred's pass on Massa was fantabulous.

 

Exactly !

 

If you look back thru F-1 History... show me where and when F-1 had tons of passing? maybe in the late 1960's and early 1970's but by 75 - you normally had one or two teams who were dominant. tires and aero started to take over.

in the 50's it was Fangio and Moss who were dominant

in the 60's it was Clark, Hill, Brabham -

70's Stewart,Lauda, Fittipaldi
80's Prost, Piquet, Senna
90's - Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen
2000's - Schumacher & ? Alonso?

so this stuff about passing is crap. This is a sport for people who "think" and not just a total vegas show. that is what drives me crazy today. if you really want more passing - put F-1 and F-2 on the same track at the same time or have 20 - 30 teams - build the fields up, that guarantees you passing.

how many cars in a NASCAR race? they cant get out of each others way! same for Grand AM... that is the principal behind the ALMS having different classes on the track at the same time. more cars = more passing.

with 22 cars on the grid now and a 3 mile track... not going to fillup the real estate for a "big show".

 

I don't think anybody is expecting battles like Villeneuve-Arnoux or any other multiple passes per lap like in motogp. But 15 years ago when two cars were close the threat of the second car passing the first one was real and made the race exciting. Now after the start one is almost certain that the second car just has to follow.

So it's not about passing in itself but the ability to do so. That has been largely taken away.

 

I don't agree.
I don't want more passes, I'd like to see much faster cars having a chance to overtake slow ones.
This got too difficult on too many circuits and the new ones aren't any better.

It's just frustrating to see that situation in almost every race.

 

I don't care about passing if there are dnfs. Rev limits are the worst, part of the reason why the turbo era was interesting, no one knew who would finish.

 

+1

 

Not to pick on other forms of motorsport, I do respect them all, but I just watched a few minutes of Indy car and if you want to see something boring look no further. Even NASCAR has more excitement.

Sure, F1 does have its low points but I'll take a handful of those over a whole season of nothingness.

 

Started watching F1 about a year and a half ago and I'm totally into it. I'll actually get up at 3:am just to catch qualifying and the race in real time, my wife loves it also. Funny thing is I cannot set through 10 minutes of nascar without being bored to death and wanting a set of "Billy Bob" teeth (sorry Nascar fans) Would love nothing more than to take a complete year and travel to every F1 race event.

 

Hallelujah!.... You haven't gone far enough though - I remember it back in the 60's and 70's and guess what? "F1 is boring", "there's never any overtaking", blah, blah. One of the big differences back then was that probably only 2-3 cars finished on the SAME LAP! Sure, there was overtaking - of lapped traffic!.......

With apologies to those who've seen it before, here's an excerpt of an open letter the late great Jochen Rindt wrote in '68:

 

Exactly. then when the wings collapsed and either killed the driver or caused the car to completely loose control... either way you have the same argument. and that was before TV was carrying all the races.

 

How I love these "You're not cool enough/smart enough/etc to understand F1" replies. Really. For all you F1 homers, I would take you much more seriously if you talked about F1 in detail (and why it's not boring, in your opinion) rather than the oh so tiresome running down of other racing series. You guys are like a salesman who never makes a presentation about the product they are selling, they only tell you how the competing product sucks.

Jimmy

 

Hey, you come from that town that makes the strongest carbon fibre in the world. Awesome!

 

For all the " F1 is boring " people out there I have just one Question. Would you attend a Ferrari Test Day on a track in your home town ??


Hell Yeah, I would...

 

We have been blessed with fabulous racing since 2005. F1 is not boring. Though certain races are and most likely will always be - Monaco for instance.

 

Interesting comment - thx!

*Personally*, I think this is one of the better forums around from that perspective [tech analysis etc] - Sure, Nascar gets "misspelled", I refer to 'em as taxicabs, etc - But, the signal to noise ratio here is better than elsewhere IMO - It's just there hasn't been a race in *weeks*, and there's nothing to whine about

Cheers,
Ian

 

Ian,
I am not throwing the whole forum under the bus, only the guys who's reaction to "F1 is boring" is ..."oh yeah, well Nascar is redneck....and IRL lets Milka race....and Grand Am..." you get the idea. It smacks of insecurity when your only retort to someone dogging your chosen motorsport series is to dog another motorsport series. I love the technology of F1, but I do think the racing leaves something to be desired. But, F1 does one thing that is great, the old moving target rule book, which gives all of us something to get wound up about

Jimmy.

 

I have totally lost all interest in F1. I cannot stand the Bernie Ecclestone "show" any longer, no matter how much I want to. And, the prima donna drivers? Forget it. This isn't so much racing as it is an elaborate Kabuki, with the the excitement playing out off the track in court rooms (or in a stewards conference) the majority of the time. There are just too many reasons not to like it, no one to get excited about and complete missteps by the FIA, F1 management and the teams.

Sorry, but they lost me.

CW

 

So, why do you continue to post herein? If I'm not interested in something, I certainly don't go posting about it.........

 

To be honest, IMO this year has been relatively quiet on the off track nonsense, I for one love to hate it, but it comes with the territory.

You will do well to stick around with it the FIA old guard has been removed it will take time to clear up relics of the past Reich , but I figure it can only get better now.

 

Really? I have to explain it to you? Okay. First, how many posts have I made about F1 in, say, the last two years? I can probably count them on one hand. Far more interested in other forms of racing. But, if anyone's going to ask how to fix F1, they need to understand what's broken, and I feel it's appropriate to chime in. I guess F1's making you happy. Glad for it.

Second, at one time I was very keen on, and somewhat involved in, F1, doing some work with one of BMWWilliams' sponsorship deals. That was ten years ago. Since then, my interest has waned dramatically. Why? Maybe it has to do with the fact that F1 has become a turn off? Hell, my neighbor talks about having helped Graham Hill push his broken GP car into the trailer after the Watkins Glen race, and then meeting the drivers up in the bar afterwards. THAT was when it was fun, personal and clubby, so to speak. Today, this is some insane ego trip. I expected great things out of LH. What do we get? Just another prima donna. And, many of the top drivers are just that. They can't or won't say what they are really thinking for fear of offending someone (team, sponsors, FIA, other drivers or teams or the public). Sadly, there's nothing colourful left. Other than the liveries, that is.

Technically, the racing isn't all that great, either. Passing is quite difficult given the clean air problem. The race is fundamentally won or lost in qualifying, on fuel strategy and in the pits. Or, by making mistakes on-track, I suppose. This is a gross over-simplification, of course, but I pine for great racing. Sure, I like the carnival-like atmosphere, but that's just the appetizer. The main course is what's going on on track. Or should be. Like I give a crap about Mosley or Ecclestone. Puh-lease.

But, if all you want is rah-rah, then don't ask the question.

CW

 

Exactly. If we don't know what's broke, we can't fix it. But, F1 is doing financially pretty well, I suppose. So, they probably don't feel it's broken. I don't think for one second they'll pay much attention to what I say (or, for that matter, what Fchat thinks about F1). But, I was once very much an F1 follower, and I certainly WANT it to be fun again. The on-track stuff has to be paramount, though. And, all this "fiddling" isn't getting us any better racing. I'm not quite sure how to fix that. I'm not terribly excited with the existing qualifying format, but I do understand their rationale. Racing on Sunday, though, has to be what makes or breaks it.

CW