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FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2019: RACE ▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS ▀▄▀▄

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  1. root

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    #251 root, Oct 14, 2019
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    I hope in 2020 Ferrari lays off the Wile E Coyote "strategies" and let their cars and drivers win the race. How many more points they would've had this season if they didn't over complicate matters so much with risky harebrained ideas like bringing Charles in for new tires to go for 1 not guaranteed fastest lap point at the risk of losing 2 and possibly more points due to probable penalty? They need Joe Gibbs running the show for a few years.
     
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  2. ago car nut

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    I would hope F1 would get rid of tire rules and grid penalties! Let the drivers determine the result, not strategy from the pits.
     
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  3. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Six Time F1 World Champ
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    I’ve been pleading for this for years, but it won’t happen. They insist that it makes the sport “more exciting.”
     
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    Haha, they are deluded aren’t they, it makes the sport a laughing stock, look at Canada, where they actually manipulated the result to suit Mercedes... the world knew it was cheating, but they still did it... ****ing ruining the sport at a time where it is literally fighting to stay relevant to the next crop of potential fans
     
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  5. furoni

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    Know what sid, i'm almost glad they did it, becaus eknow i can afirm that this was another title eltonand mercedesv won by cheating!!
     
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  6. sp1der

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    And now seems teams asking is ferrari engine legal?
     
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    Mercedes offering a few company E63s to them, much like the unbiased stewards no doubt..... funny how none of the protests over Mercedes cheating every year for the last six ever got anywhere, yet one murmur about ferrari and we have the FIA heavy mob sent in. Cheating bastards
     
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  8. sp1der

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    I think launch a counter protest why is the Mercedes quicker in the corners must be some dodgy tyres and suspension ;)
     
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  9. nerofer

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    I'm a bit late in the matter, but nevertheless...just for the sake of clarity:

    The trouble was not that the Pole-position side on track was changed: the problem, in Senna's eyes, was that it was NOT changed and stayed on the traditional side, the same as in the preceedent Grand Prix edition in 1987, 1988 and 1989 at Suzuka. Senna had occupied Pole in 1988 and 1989 and each time has had trouble with the getaway. In 1990, he stated that Pole was on the wrong side of the track, which was too dirty, so he was - again - risking loosing the drag race at the start.
    He lobbied Balestre to have Pole-position changed of side, and believed that he had succeeded, only to discover that they didn't take his request in consideration and that Pole has stayed on the same, traditional, usual, side, which infuriated him.

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    https://www.racefans.net/2010/10/21/20-years-since-senna-took-out-prost-at-suzuka-1990-japanese-gp-flashback/

    Senna claimed the 51st pole position of his career, a feat that was central to the weekend’s controversy. Pole position at Suzuka had been on the right-hand side of the track – off the racing line – for each of the three previous F1 races at the track: 1987, 1988, 1989. Senna had started there in 1988, bogged down badly, fallen to 14th, yet recovered to win the race and the drivers’ title. He started there again in 1989 and as he struggled for grip at the start Prost charged into the lead from second place. Senna caught and tried to pass his rival at the chicane later in the race, but Prost swerved into the side of Senna’s car, taking both out, denying Senna the championship.
    Before qualifying for the 1990 race had even begun, Senna lobbied track officials for pole position to be moved to the left and onto the racing line. He believed he’d got their consent – but after claiming pole position he was told he would start from the right-hand side of the track once again.
    Senna saw the hand of FISA president Jean-Marie Balestre in the decision. The same person he blamed for his disqualification from the 1989 race, after he had disentangled his car from Prost’s and driven through the run-off at the chicane to re-join the track. In the drivers’ briefing before the 1990 race the drivers were told they would not be disqualified for using the run-off at the chicane, as Senna had 12 months previously. He stormed out of the room

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Japanese_Grand_Prix

    This race is best known for its first corner incident involving world championship contenders Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna. Senna secured the pole, but was unhappy with the side of the track it was situated on, claiming that pole should always be on the racing line. He and Gerhard Berger then went to the Japanese stewards, to request a change of position of pole to the cleaner left side of the track. The stewards initially agreed but an injunction by FISA president Jean Marie Balestre later that night rejected the decision and the original pole position remained on the dirtier, less grippy right side of the track. In addition, as revealed by F1 journalist, Maurice Hamilton,[2] the FIA had warned that crossing the yellow line of the pit exit on the right to better position oneself at the first corner would have not been appropriate, further infuriating Senna.

    Some in the F1 paddock found Senna's complaints as strange given that the pole was actually on the same side of the track (the inside next to the pit wall) as it had been since the first Japanese Grand Prix held there in 1987. Many also noted that Senna had not complained about the position of the pole in either 1988 or 1989, both races he had started on pole and both races he was fighting Prost (who qualified 2nd in both years) for the World Championship.

    After this, Senna vowed that if Prost (starting second) got the advantage into the first corner, which most were sure he would, Senna would attempt to take the lead into the first corner, regardless of the consequences.
     
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  10. william

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    Thanks for the clarification.
     

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