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  1. Terra

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    Copse.
     
  2. absostone

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    Sorry im dum. eyell; right that dowone tanks
     
  3. Bas

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    Let me guess, you have an issue with a harmless joke?
     
  4. bobzdar

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    So? Max is still ahead there, and even so Max has to leave a car width of room, which he did, but Lewis missed the apex by a country mile and punted him off. 100% his fault. Should have been a stop and go.
     
  5. Terra

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  6. Terra

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    Don't think so. Max pinched/turned down/closed the door on LH.
     
  7. absostone

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    Watch the vid when they touched,, Purple helmet guy never had to counter steer not even a quarter inch. He was determined to force the issue.. Watch a vid of the start as he ran Max wide a few corners earlier. It was Purple Helmet also known as Richard Head who was the aggressor . And basically did the same to Leclerc. Ego Ego Ego . Go pray to Our Hamilton whos not in Heaven. That dude has issues. Im out
     
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  8. bmwracer

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    He might as well practice trash pickup for his next career as he can’t drive competitively in F1 anymore . Only driver I have seen the last few years that spins his car without being touched , the excuse at Ferrari was too much pressure , I guess beating deadbeat Stroll is also too much pressure
     
  9. Bas

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    Talking to a wall unfortunately.

    Anyone that watches the replay sees that Max gives him the space, Lewis makes no attempt for the apex...and Max when he sees Hamilton hasn't made a single attempt on the apex, corrects and gives more space. Button, Webber, Coulthard all gave full fault to Lewis.
     
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  10. NeuroBeaker

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    Here's how the overtake on the inside of Copse is managed (Bottas vs Hamilton, 2019):


    Please note that Bottas edged ahead and hit the apex of the corner, instead of being slightly behind, running wide of the apex, and punting his rival on the racing line into the wall.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  11. freshmeat

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    Why are you guys still wasting so much energy trying to convince hamboners he was at fault?
     
  12. NeuroBeaker

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    It's a forum. We debate things.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  13. Bas

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    Yep. Look at 2.03. It seems the Mercedes, even with a Butler at the wheel, is able to make the apex at copse during an overtake. Amazing!

    Hamilton really was mega lucky yesterday.

    Schumacher received a full season ban for crashing his title rival....and Schumacher came of worse out of that fight!
     
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  14. LamboLover

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    Better re-take a look at how that transpired.
     
  15. Bas

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    Yeah Schumacher behind and takes out Jacques....Schumacher gets wrong end of the stick and retires. Despite Villeneueve able to continue, Schumacher is DQ'ed from the entire season.

    Now we have hamilton behind not making any real attempt to make the apex, takes out his only rival instead. Gets to have his car repaired and receives a slap on the wrist penalty. It's clearly possible to make the apex. Smashilton went in too fast.
     
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  16. LamboLover

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    Why am I not surprised you purposely ignore the fact Michael deliberately turns in the corner knowing full well he can see Villieneuve is right there.

    "But he got the wrong end of the stick". :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Bas

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    wrong end of the stick = he was the one that ended with a broken car.
     
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  18. NeuroBeaker

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    Rick,

    Bas is saying the same thing you are, but you're trying to nail him to the wall over not saying the word "intentional".

    Yes, Schumacher INTENTIONALLY tried to take out his rival AND he messed it up so badly, he directly caused himself a DNF and saw his rival continue before he was disqualified for unsportsmanlike behavior. In a glittering career in F1, that was unquestionably a turd of a moment.

    Now that that's out of the way, back to Hamilton and Verstappen. I think Verstappen's line reasonably left room on the inside for Hamilton to take the apex, but Hamilton didn't drive to the apex - he drove wide into Verstappen's rear tire, punting the race leader off the track into the wall. As someone who is often lauded as the greatest driver of all time, with an impeccable natural talent for feeling the grip, how is it that Hamilton was unable to drive his car into the gap that was left for him by his rival?

    Did we find the limits of Hamilton's vast talent, or did he intentionally tap Verstappen with the thought of unsettling his rival's car in order to slip by? I think this was his own turd of a moment amidst an impressive career, compounded by his post-race refusal to accept responsibility and insinuation that his well-deserved (even too light) penalty was an unjust obstacle for him to rise above. Maybe he'll feign better perspective if he detects a whiff of damage to his brand, but right now he comes off as a self-absorbed jerk.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  19. fer312t

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    Aside from the entry trajectories not being 1:1 (Valteri being and further right and able to take a wider entry) you'll also,note that Hamilton backed out much earlier.

    I don't think there's much argument that Lewis washed out a bit... Max was defending robustly as usual, left little margin (as was his prerogative) and unfortunately came of worse. This happens in racing. Lewis was penalized according - I think a much harsher penalty would require a demonstrablly higher level of recklessness (or intent) that just wasn't here in this case.
     
  20. fer312t

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    #595 fer312t, Jul 19, 2021
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    Let me ask - are you really imply that Lewis drove in Max intentionally ?

    Nah, the people who hated him before will continue to hate him...and those who love him with love him more in response :)

    The people who go on about "losing whatever respect I had for Hamilton, blah, blah" likely never had any to begin with ;)
     
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  21. LamboLover

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    It's a comparison being made to act like Lewis did it on purpose & got away with it. It completely ignores that Michael's was deliberate to any viewer where as we have repeatedly heard from varying accounts from drivers themselves that believe both Lewis & Max can be given blame. It's not an equal comparison as it currently stands.

    The addition of arguing Lewis gets to repair his car is just laughable. Barrier damage to that degree most certainly brings out a red flag and being allowed to make repairs under it is an option afforded to everyone.
     
  22. Bas

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    With Lewis not making an attempt on the apex, and Max making extra room after noticing that Lewis wasn't making this attempt on the Apex, it is indeed a possibility that Lewis simply waited for an accident to happen.
     
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  23. fer312t

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    "Making extra room?" o_O Can we get real here

    Can you honestly watch this (appreciating the speed at which everything is happening) is still say all this with a straight face.
    https://streamable.com/oxmeqb
     
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  24. LamboLover

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    Ah, so the beloved Charles was just talking nonsense when he said Max was also being quite aggressive on the outside and both guys were at fault.
     
  25. sp1der

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    The positive is the Mercedes upgrade appears to be pretty useless, so I think Normal service will be resumed at the next race.
     

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