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  1. Bas

    Bas Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I know quite a few people that are in your position...Loved him at first, then his personality came to light. Even when they where pretty open minded regarding age & immaturity etc, most of them are just completely sick of him and see straight through his persona.
     
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  3. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 F1 World Champ
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  4. subirg

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    Well this one will run and run. Probably beyond the end of the season! Won’t change anything. Max saw his wdc lead slashed to virtually nothing. The championship is still very much alive, but Redbull still have the better car and it’s theirs to lose IMHO. Expect more on track clashes before this is over. Exciting season!!!
     
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  5. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Maybe time for the old 'Mad Max' to resurface? He is more than capable of making crazy overtaking attempts,and failing miserably.Spa 2016 anyone?

     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 F1 World Champ
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    This is just a precursor of Prost/Senna 2.0 in 2021. Neither one is giving up(Max and Lewis).

    I expect a response in kind from Max to Lewis in the coming races.
     
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  8. fer312t

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    Initializing a collision with your championship rival...one which you trail by over 25 points...going into a high speed corner, and potentially eliminating yourself (or perhaps only yourself!) in the process...sorry, but that makes zero sense to me.

    It was lap 1, when modern Formula races are often won or lost (contrary to the old adage) There is a sense of urgency...and sometimes there is contract, especially when two relatively uncompromising characters are involved. No much more complicated than that really.

    I think I'm probably quite correct in thinking that...you see that all over the internet. Realistically I don't think many people's opinions on Hamilton have changed much after today. It's just mostly a disingenuous tactic to suggest something has been newly lost. I'm not singling out anyone here - I brought it up re: your comment about 'brand damage.'

    Some perspective - he had a big hit and was winded. Then he walked to ambulance under his own power, and waved to the applauding crowd while doing so. All on the world feed, and no doubt seen by the other drivers during the red flag. He went to the hospital for precautionary checks and was released. Pretty standard stuff. I'm glad he's OK, as is everyone. Not sure why the hand-wringing.

    Everyone was chirpy in the post-race. Lewis, Charles, Lando etc... and I'm quite sure if Lewis had demonstrated more 'concern' it would have been attacked as disingenuous by some.

    Post-race was beautiful I thought...Monza level love from crowd to driver and back. Absolutely Loved it, will watch again :)
     
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  9. Bas

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  10. Beau365

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    Tight racing and the Merc upgrades have worked a treat. That thing is fast.
     
  11. DF1

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    Marko and Horner and all team managers might need to be aware / reminded lol - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/masi-f1-penalties-dont-reflect-consequences-of-incidents/6633632/

    Masi: F1 penalties don't reflect consequences of incidents
    By: Adam Cooper
    Jul 19, 2021, 5:59 AM
    FIA Formula 1 race director Michael Masi says it's a fundamental principle that stewards do not take the consequences of an incident into account when giving penalties.

    He also stressed that the team bosses had been part of the discussion when it was agreed to take that route.


    The clash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton on the first lap of the British GP led to the Dutchman's instant retirement, and generated a 10-second penalty for the Mercedes driver for causing a collision.


    Much to the frustration of Verstappen and his Red Bull team, Hamilton was able to overcome the penalty and still win the race.


    Masi stressed that the stewards could not take into account the fact that Verstappen had retired and Hamilton had continued, and any potential impact on the title battle.


    "I think one of the big parts that's been a mainstay for many, many years, and this came through discussions prior to my time between all of the teams, the FIA and F1, and the team principals were all quite adamant, is that you should not consider the consequences in an incident," Masi said.


    "So when they judge an incident they judge the incident itself, and the merits of the incident, not what happens afterwards as a consequence. And that's been something that the stewards have done for many years.


    "And have been advised to do from top down. I'm talking team involvement, and so forth. So that's the way that the stewards judge it, because start taking consequences into account, there's so many variables, rather than judging the incident itself on its merits."

     
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  13. DF1

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    As many feel below. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/leclerc-hamilton-verstappen-clash-a-racing-incident/6633718/

    Leclerc: Hamilton-Verstappen British GP F1 clash a racing incident

    By: Jonathan Noble
    Jul 19, 2021, 6:51 AM
    Charles Leclerc believes the clash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton in Formula 1’s British Grand Prix was nothing more than a racing incident.

    Leclerc had the best view of the opening lap crash at Silverstone, as he was running right behind the lead Red Bull and Mercedes cars.

    While he believes Hamilton had a bit more room to play with at the apex of the corner to avoid contact, the Ferrari driver believes that Verstappen was aggressive with his turn in.

    “It is very difficult to judge it from the car; we are very low,” said Leclerc. “So it’s difficult to see.

    “Everything went very quick. Obviously I could see there were quite a bit of things going around in front of me. And yeah, I think it’s a racing incident.

    “It’s quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other. Obviously there was space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex but it’s also true that Max was quite aggressive on the outside. So, things happen.
     
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  14. sp1der

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    I would say not this is a Merc track and they only just beat a hobbled Ferrari, that clearly also did not work on the hard tyres.
     
  15. tifosi12

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    That part I agree with. Silverstone was always Merc territory, Max should have done a Prost and not a Senna.
     
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  16. jpalmito

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    Don't understand why the race was red flagged?
    A safety car would have been enough.
    Oh wait, that way they could fix Lewis car..
    Well done the FIA and liberty media!
     
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  17. Bas

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    Bas Three Time F1 World Champ

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    It was to repair the barrier...no conspiracy on that one but just another bout of (enormous) Lewis luck...
     
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    My bad..
    I couldn't help but think this way..
    ;)
     
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  20. Beau365

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    Merc was not short of speed on Lap1. Party Mode ?
     
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  21. DF1

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    Mercedes: British GP red flag saved Hamilton from retirement
    By: Haydn Cobb
    Jul 19, 2021, 7:36 AM
    Mercedes suspects Lewis Hamilton would have been forced to retire with damage sustained in his clash with Max Verstappen had Formula 1's British Grand Prix not been red-flagged.

    I would have preferred this. Both out. Let others race. No drama lol.
    Charles for the win. Too bad.
     
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  22. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    correct me if I'm wrong, but the ability to repair a car under red flag is there so drivers can repair or switch to a spare car if there's a big accident on the start. so it's somewhat unique to F1 (I see a lot of Indy/sports car guys complaining about it).
     
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  23. william

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    The stars were aligned for Hamilton yesterday.
     
  24. jpalmito

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    You are right ,
    tyres too
     
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    No more spare cars.
     
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    The official word is they had to have time to fix the barriers.
     
  27. jpalmito

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    I know, i know..
    I just don't see why safety car procedure isn't safe enough for people who are working to fix the barriers ..
     
  28. ypsilon

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    I don't think Max needs to descend to the level of Hamilton. Lewis has been making many mistakes this season, in Imola 3, in Baku, in Monaco and now Silverstone. It's a miracle Hamilton is still in Max's slipstream, pointwise.

    Speaking of Hamilton, he again showed what an disinignious, theatrical character he is. A character that demands so called respect from his suroundings. He apparently loves "racing", yet when someone actually races him, something unique in itself given the Mercedes dominance of this past 8 years, doesn't seem to know the difference between actual racing (aggresive or not), and making racing errors. He apparently loves the challenge of a title fight, yet the only persons capable these past 8 years were his teammates. And we all know how and why he loves Bottas as a teammate and the antics he used against Rosberg on and off the track.

    It's all part of Hamilton's make-belief persona, the character Lewis want to be, how he wants to be seen; Lewis the ultimate racer, the new Senna. In reality Lewis likes receiving applause and Senna'esque comparisons when he wheels in another one of his easy wins from pole position, unchallenged. That's what he really seems to love.

    Like the stewards decided yesterday, Hamilton made the "mistake", a "mistake" which he later didn't make when passing LeClerc. Lewis suddenly was on the apex. A corner that wasn't his given his position on the inside, comming from the dirty side of the track, in a blind corner, with one of the highest speeds on the F1 calendar. And Max gave him enough space.

    Given the wrought-up way Lewis approached that first lap in Silverstone, it's clear he had something to prove on his home track. No doubt frustrated about the way the season unfolded, the way Max outclassed him with superior racecraft and fewer mistakes. After the race it became clear that both Lewis and Totto want to take the rivalry to a new and possibly unhealthy level, let's hope it doesn't end in an even more serious crash.

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