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  1. itschris

    itschris Formula 3

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    I've thought about this a lot and my interest in F1. I like both Lewis and Max. I'm a rabid fan, but don't get into the I hate this guy or that guy. Seb is my favorite driver... Ric is probably well ... easily my least favorite. But after watching the crash... and I'm going to hold the rules aside whatever the actual rules may say i guess, but I've never considered bombing up the inside at full speed with zero hope of making a clean corner and bumping and forcing others out of your way in fear of getting crashed out, a clean or fair move. I find it laughable that Lewis says the Max has to be less aggressive. As if his move wasn't the most aggressive and desperate one to take. He turns around and compliment Leclerc for "getting out of his way." in their similar interaction. Odd. Leclerc isn't racing Mercedes and he wants no part of getting taken out. Does Lewis believe everyone should just get out of his way so he can win?

    In the larger picture... I don't know of any other sport where you can take out your rival in a questionable action, break your car, then get the opportunity to then fix that damage you caused during the red flag while your rival is taken to the hospital, then get a meaningless penalty that will have zero bearing on the outcome, then have your team order your teammate to get out of your way so you can win the race. Then... celebrate as if you've just done something epic. I just don't know where else something like that could happen other than in F1. Where else can you do all that and be put on a pedestal? No where.

    Like I said, I don't mind Lewis at all, but I find this all just so utterly unsporting. His comments to this day are even more unsportsmanlike and classless. I think he just lives and breathes in a fortified echo chamber... a bubble where everyone just tells him how wonderful he is and how amazing he is. I don't think he can even see what happened.

    Maybe you can argue that Max should've done this or that, but why. At no point was Lewis ahead in that corner, at no point was he even on the traditional racing line, and at no point did he have any hope of not forcing Max off the track or colliding with him. I think is funny that people who don't like Max or who just love Lewis just criticize him for not getting out of Hamilton's way. I don't mind arrogance, I don't mind trash talk. But i simply find Lewis's inability to even acknowledge any real liability while at the same time hailing himself a hero of the day really questionable.
     
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  3. Mark(study)

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    I've watched Lewis back off from Max for the entire first part of the season as he had more to lose. Sunday we saw Lewis hold his ground for the first time. Ever since, Max and his fans look like a 4 year old kid who just dropped his ice cream on the ground. Stunned in disbelief with all that's wrong with the world.
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  4. ypsilon

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    Bullying ? what a weird way to define the situation.

    It's called racing, Max had the racing line, every single time this season.

    Hamilton lifted/yielded because he wasn't on the racing line. Hamilton avoided contact (Imola for instance) because he had to avoid contact, being off the racing line. Those corners in which Hamilton yielded were not Hamiltons corners, they were Max's corners.

    Yes, Max drives aggressively sometimes, he almost drives and defends like he's in a Go-kart. BUT driving aggressively is something very different from making racing errors.

    And that's what Lewis did in Silverstone. He made contact while being given enough space, while missing the apex, while being on the inside on one of the fastest corners on the F1 calendar. And the racing stewards blamed Lewis. It's that simple.

    Ricciardo: Hamilton "went in too hot" in Verstappen F1 clash (motorsport.com)
    FIA explains Hamilton blame for Verstappen F1 collision (motorsport.com)
     
  5. DF1

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    Karma from his ruining Ricci race in Baku. Max was the total fool along with the team. See Ricci thoughts on all that and how it drove him out of the team. Toxic is RedBull. Max is abrilliant racer and most definitely a bully. Plenty of REPUTABLE drivers have stated it was NOTHING more than a racing incident by 2 hot charging drivers.

    Horner co-opted this into a needless drama. Where was his caring for a driver when Bottas had an almost equal impact. Not a word. Fake useless drama is ALL of Horner motive here. Racing incident and Horner would be screaming that if reversed.
     
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  6. ktu

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    There is a video posted of this same thing happening where 2 cars collided in copse some years back, and the stewards ruled it as a racing incident. If Max had ran off the track and regained, the stewards would have called it a racing incident, and we wouldn't be discussing this. We will agree to disagree on Verstappen driving aggressively this season.
     
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  8. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 F1 World Champ
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    Be specific.

    Sainz and Grosjean crashed at copse and nothing was handed out to either driver.

    Again, the stewards and penalties are inconsistent.
     
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  9. ktu

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    Thanks for the info.
     
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  10. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 F1 World Champ
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    Hear's my beef with the Grosjean-Sainz crash-->it is almost a repeat of the Lewis-Max crash. Grosjean goes shallow into the apex of copse and Sainz has the optimal racing line and both collide.

    Sainz and Max's exit out of copse puts their cars on the optimal racing line.

    Grosjean and Lewis's exit out of copse puts both their cars into and over the kerbs....not an optimal racing line.

    Whether it's 180mph at copse or any other corner at any other race track the shallow car going into the corner MOST LIKELY will take out the other car with the optimal racing line in a: 1) wheel-to-wheel battle
    2) the optimal racing line car is slightly ahead or half a car lengths ahead of the shallow car.

    If that's racing with 2 equal and opposing team cars and Lewis got praised for his winning, when does it end. Heck, I might as well be P2 in the race and take out my opponent(P1) at a corner by "kissing" his rear tire with my front tire and sending him out of the race??? It worked for Lewis right??
     
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  11. Bas

    Bas Three Time F1 World Champ

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    100% on the money. I too had to laugh regarding his comment on Leclerc. Lewis loves it when people get out of his way, that's why he calls Bottas his greatest teammate ever.
     
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  13. Flavio_C

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    You are correct that Max hasn't been lifting. But one thing is not lifting in a 90MPH corner and crashing, another thing is at Copse corner at 180MPH.
     
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  14. Remy Zero

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    I've never seen something so disgusting in F1 in a very long time.
     
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  15. DF1

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    LOL


    Horner: "Unacceptable" for F1 team bosses to be allowed to lobby stewards
    By:Jonathan Noble
    Jul 21, 2021, 4:30 AM
    Red Bull team boss Christian Horner thinks it is "unacceptable" that Formula 1 stewards can be lobbied by competitors while they are making decisions.

    But despite Horner’s views on the matter, F1 race director Michael Masi said he has no problem with the stewards having an open door policy with teams.

    "If we have an incident after the race, we invite the teams and the drivers to come up and appear before the stewards,” he said.

    “We had the case in Monza last year when Lewis went and spoke to the stewards to understand what happened and have a look at the whole picture. During the suspension, that ability exists, so there's no reason not to."
     
  16. DF1

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    Ricci said racing incident along with others
     
  17. Mitch Alsup

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    Oh that is rich.

    A team boss lobbying the stewards while they were making a decision not to let team bosses lobby the stewards when making decisions.
     
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  19. ROLEX1

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    F1 needs to be redesigned.
    It's rotten.
    It's corrupt.
    It's getting ugly.
     
  20. sammysaber

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    Not sure it’s been posted but it’s nicely done


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  22. Bas

    Bas Three Time F1 World Champ

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  24. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Rookie

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    Just imagine Max doing the same thing to Lewis in copse.
    The British media would have been nuts !
     
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  25. jgonzalesm6

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    Max will definitely return the favor and the British media will still go nuts.......it's their narrative. Lewis CAN ONLY do it but no one can do it to Lewis.....puhhhhleeeese!!.
     
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  26. sp1der

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    Hit the nail on the head, desperate move as Lewis was in line for another defeat.
     
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  27. DF1

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    Mercedes had Verstappen all-clear before British GP celebrations
    By:Jonathan Noble
    Jul 22, 2021, 8:44 AM
    Mercedes has explained it only went ahead with its British Grand Prix victory celebrations because it had been told by Red Bull and the FIA that Max Verstappen was uninjured.
     
  28. subirg

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    That’s probably true, but the maxettes won’t believe it. They have all lost their minds with rage!
     
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