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  1. classic308

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    yes. Sainz stinks.
     
  2. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    My glass has sprung a leak:eek: ...only a 1-2 in Monaco will do boys.
     
  3. Terra

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    Come on, you must be joking!

    Magnussen straight-up came down on/ran into LH, while the latter simply held his racing line. Shades of the old Max (i.e. “you better get out of the way and cede position, or else . . . ). Mag tried to force him down tight and came out the much worse for it (relatively speaking).

    Rewatch it both in slo-mo and real time.
     
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  4. JJ

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    ****, I thought you were on ignore. Corrected, with apologies.
     
  5. Terra

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    Am I correct in detecting some dismissive smug condescension in your above remark?
     
  6. DF1

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  7. Bas

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    Really tough to say. Without the spin and without Leclerc's engine failure...I think Max would find it very hard to get passed Leclerc and even if he did, I'm sure Leclerc would be able to DRS by him just as quickly, leaving Max to do it all over again.

    Question is if RBR would still have the guts to go with the strategy they did then. If yes, I can see them having won, but then whose to say that Ferrari didn't instantly cover...

    All I can say is Max's pace from the middle of the race was ******* insane. His pass around the outside of Bottas was quite something...when every tenth counts, going by where he did instead of sticking behind him for the next 4 or so corners was once again crucial.

    As for Charles, what can be said...did everything perfectly this weekend. Yes he spun (so did Max), but had the master of all recoveries. His attitude after his retirement was commendable and Schumacher esque. Is it possible words where had away from the press, sure (though I wouldn't see why). But especially for Ferrari it's important to have a strong front.
     
  8. furoni

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    I also had made that mistake, but it's already corrected.
     
  9. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Looks 60/40 to me......K-Mag 60%......still a racing incident.

     
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  10. jgonzalesm6

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    Quite the difference from K-Mag vs Lewis on the same corner.



    Max Verstappen VS George Russell 2022 Spanish Grand Prix

     
  11. 375+

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    That's his MO.
     
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  12. Isobel

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    The second best driver in the third best car had a decent race.

    Maintained his staggering record of losing points for the fifth race in a row to a first year driver with the team.

    With Leclerc out, he finished exactly where he should have, given his current status.

    However, I voted him driver of the day as he was clearly the only one ready to fend off White Walkers in Spain.

    Prediction Monaco:
    Qualifies and Finishes 6th, defends George from Dothraki.
     
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  13. 375+

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    +1 (I think)
     
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  14. gh0st0

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    very collected, not sure how anyone could dislike Charles.
     
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  15. 375+

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    +1 that says it all.
     
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  16. DF1

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    K-Mag is always a bit 'hot' or emotional. He knows he was not racing well vs LH. LH was not at all at fault. K-Mag opts to outside and offline. Thats never an easy risk at all. He paid and frankly ruined LH' effort at that point. Since its lap 1 racing incident ruling is rational. At no time did LH just close him down etc and squeeze him. His radio call to HAAS pitwall is typical for K-Mag.


    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/magnussen-hamilton-f1-radio-message-was-in-the-heat-of-the-moment/10309548/

    Magnussen: Hamilton F1 radio message was "in the heat of the moment"
    Kevin Magnussen says his radio message saying Mercedes Formula 1 driver Lewis Hamilton "knew what he was doing" during their Barcelona clash was made "in the heat of the moment".


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    Haas F1 driver Magnussen made a good start from eighth place on the grid in the Spanish Grand Prix, allowing him to go side-by-side with Hamilton as they entered Turn 4 on the opening lap.

    Magnussen tried to overtake Hamilton around the outside of the corner, only for the two drivers to touch, sending Magnussen into the gravel.

    Hamilton was left with a puncture, causing him to drop to the back of the field.

    It would end any hope of Magnussen fighting for points in Spain as he spent the remainder of the race running in the bottom three positions.

    Soon after the clash, Magnussen swore over team radio to his engineer and said: "Lewis knew what he was doing there, he rammed me."

    The stewards noted the incident, but deemed it was not necessary to take any further action and launch an investigation.

    Asked after the race what he meant by that comment against Hamilton, Magnussen said it was "nothing".

    "It was just in the heat of the moment," Magnussen explained. "You say whatever you say, and then you go and look at it. And it's often a different story."

    Magnussen admitted in the media pen that he was yet to watch back the incident with Hamilton, leaving him unsure of who was at fault for causing the collision.

    "You're always pissed off in the heat of the moment, but I'll go and watch it again, see what happens and then move on," Magnussen said.

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    Kevin Magnussen, Haas VF-22, in the pits

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    Hamilton felt he was "on a normal line" through the corner and that Magnussen "came out of nowhere and hit me".

    "He came from behind, and then hit the side of my car," Hamilton said. "I can't say anything about it, it is what it is."

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    The incident contributed to Haas's failure to score in Spain as Mick Schumacher slipped to 14th in the closing stages after being jumped by a number of the three-stopping cars.

    Magnussen thought Haas "had a faster car than a lot of cars to score points today" but was encouraged by the fact the team had performed so well despite not bringing any updates to Barcelona.

    "The pace of the car has been good this weekend," Magnussen said.

    "Despite everyone, most people, bringing upgrades, we were able to stick with them. So there's a lot of positives that we will carry on to Monaco."
     
  17. Mitch Alsup

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    At the beginning of lap 3 Lewis was 45 seconds behind.
    At the beginning of lap 10 Lewis was 50 seconds behind.
     
  18. Mitch Alsup

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    later in the race we got to see different footage of the incident. Lewis understeered to the outside (and even added steering angle to avoid collision.
    Still, Magnussen should have been able to avoid the incident.
     
  19. werewolf

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    #469 werewolf, May 23, 2022
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    Watch Hamilton's car, relative to the apex. From Hamilton's on-board, we know his steering input was steady (constant).

    ===> Hamilton's car drifted/under-steered left, away from the apex, toward Magnussen.

    Racing incident, but 60% Hamilton's fault (not intentional, but the result of understeering/drifting away from the apex)
     
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  20. jgonzalesm6

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    True, but it wasn't as excessive as K-Mag's steering input into Lewis. Both needed to give each other their space as witnessed by Russell and Max in the same corner.
     
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    #471 werewolf, May 23, 2022
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    Magnussen seems to be leaving enough room at apex ... but not enough room for a car drifting/understeering away from the apex.

    Just before the collision, Hamilton's car is clearly drifting left, toward Magnussen ... well away from the white line at apex. At the moment of the collision, Hamilton's right front tire has moved at least a foot away from the apex ... maybe closer to 2 feet from the apex.

    But nothing intentional, from either driver. Stewards called it right.
     
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  22. jgonzalesm6

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    Ferrari confirm that Leclerc's retirement was due to a turbo and MGU-H failure.
     
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  24. JJ

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    Maybe Lewis simply doesn't realize (or agree) that when racing side by side that you have to alter your line and can't just roll out of the turn all the way to the opposite side of the track like you normally would. This does seem to happen a lot with him. Maybe it's his "this is my corner" attitude and he expects everyone else to just get out of his way?
     
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  25. gh0st0

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    So wait, Lewis has been the problem this entire time? Color me shocked
     
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