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  1. P.Singhof

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    So was it an identical part or just "similar"?
    If it as identical, why was there an investigation in the first place?

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  2. classic308

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    Another non penalty for Team MB....
     
  3. Bas

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    A front wing looks pretty similar but does things differently.

    How are hydraulics any different?! They control half the ****ing car!
     
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  4. Bas

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    what a load of horse ****
     
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  5. TonyL

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    Interesting to note that prior to the incident, corner 2 i think, on my video recording LH car was on the kerbs and had left the track with all 4 wheels beyond the white line "without any justifiable reason". Small point but if the stewards are going to enforce the rules, then they should apply them to everyone else who break the rules.
     
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  6. crinoid

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  7. Bas

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    I don't think it's right to inform Leclerc on it to be honest. Neither are the fight for the championship, why kick a driver when he's down for zero gain in the end for the team?
     
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  8. P.Singhof

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    So you think after the stewards have robbed Seb the victory Ferrari should have told Leclerc to go for it to reduce the gap under 5 seconds to move Seb back to third???
    Now that would have been great team leadership

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  9. crinoid

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    I don’t necessarily disagree with you. However this “we forgot“ business sounds silly and amateur. Obviously he just doesn’t want to deal with LeClerc and co confronting him about it. Why doesn’t he just say we didn’t feel the need to distract him and wanted to finish in that order...? He needs help and should’ve stayed in a 100% technical role.
     
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  10. TonyL

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    I don't think you can compare past infringements unless they are exactly the same in every detail, with the greatest respect it serves no purpose whatsoever. In my opinion, LH should have been prepared to slow down and stop if necessary not knowing what was going to happen to SV's car had he lost control.
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  11. TonyL

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    No, I would have told SV to hold up LH and get Leclerc on his tail, possibly harass him into a mistake or, if needed take the lead. Ferrari needed the win. SV or CL will not win the WDC unless Mercedes fall apart at the seams for the next 8 races!!
     
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  12. jgonzalesm6

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    It's racing TonyL, giving the situation, I would have done the same on the outside line....full throttle w/o wheel spin. If I was running out of asphalt over the white line and still not cleared Seb, then lift, brake and tuck underneath behind Seb.

    If Seb hit me, then it is what it is....but that's me.
     
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  13. Bas

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    Yes the excuse is piss poor.

    From what I gather Leclerc hasn't said a thing about why he wasn't informed, all he did was feel bad for Vettel (and from tone of his voice he meant it). I don't think Leclerc even needed a real explanation why he wasn't informed, he knew straight away that the real victor was Vettel and that, if he had pushed and taken 2nd away as welll, just wouldn't be right.
     
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  14. Bas

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    Hamilton, who gained an enormous amount of time, did not receive a penalty.

    At the same corner, Verstappen went off in the same fashion but lost much less time, got a 5 second penalty.

    Double standards. Same stewards, same race. Different marques.
     
  15. DF1

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    You have it correct - Seb screwed up. Thats the main issue here. He opened the door to scrutiny. One day...maybe he just may learn LOL
     
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  16. DF1

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    He should have pushed. Seb's race is his problem. The team points remain the same and he has no reason to take care of Seb at this point lol
     
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  17. TonyL

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    Totally agree Joe I think we are on the same page, my only point is that you cannot compare similar incidents and draw the same conclusion. I would have preferred the stewards to say it was racing drivers, racing at their best & encourage it for future events. Not deter others for fear of sanctions and penalty points. Gloves off as they say.
    It got me out of my chair for once!
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  18. TonyL

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    Who was driving the second merc?
     
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  19. william

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    Wow, now we are getting somewhere !!

    I have been trying to explain that simple fact for sometime now, but for many that message doesn't get through.

    They are the people who accuse the stewards for to having penalised Hamilton for an incident at Monaco in 2016.

    The same people now blame the stewards in Montréal 2019 for having penalised Vettel for the same thing !!!
     
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  20. jgonzalesm6

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    Agreed, to me this was a racing incident.

    BTW, the stewards also added 2pts to Sebs racing license for this incident. Give me a break!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    It was'nt that severe that it warrants 2pts to a super license.
     
  21. TonyL

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    The only thing you can draw from comparing previous infringements is the lack of consistency of the officials, having said that it is difficult but they didn't have to be so prompt in dishing out the penalty, a reprimand would have been more than sufficient in my opinion. There [the stewards] only concern would have been the uproar had SV been told after the ceremony and the ensuing ****storm.

    It interesting to note the rules [once again, sorry] but as they have enacted the penalty, in accordance with the sporting code of conduct, then article 38 of the sporting regulations has to be followed which gives them several options, not just a time penalty ie

    Article 38.3
    e) A time penalty.
    f) A reprimand.
    g) A drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.


    I don't see how SF can appeal when its quite clear:-

    Article 38.3
    If any of the seven penalties above are imposed they shall not be subject to appeal

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  22. stavura

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    WTF??? Talk about rubbing salt into a wound!
    This is way beyond a joke now.
     
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  23. william

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    I think the reasons for adding 2 points on Vettel's Superlicence was:

    "Bringing the sport into disrepute by unsporting behaviour after the race"

    LOL :)
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  24. TonyL

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    Worth everyone one of them too:)
    Perhaps he should have had two penalty points deducted instead for making it so comical.
     
  25. stavura

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    Not at all.
    I thought it was great what he done.
    The sport is a total mess as is.
     
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