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  1. A348W

    A348W Formula 3

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    Just watching this on repeat! Vettel our in P2 and Leclerc 10gh despite a secret engine deal with the FIA.

    Ferrari can’t even get there with support from the FIA!!!!! How embarrassing.

    Webber hit It on the head when asked how Ferrari can improve...move to the UK!!!!
     
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  2. freshmeat

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  3. LVP488

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    ... but wait, I thought the only issue Ferrari had was that Vettel was too bad...
    If it goes on that way, maybe most people here will begin to say Ferrari should just fire Leclerc (after all, his performance in qualifying was about as embarassing as Vettel's).
     
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  4. DF1

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    Lewis Hamilton has avoided a grid penalty for Sunday's Formula 1 Austrian Grand Prix after a stewards' hearing over two incidents in the final stage of qualifying.

    Reigning world champion Hamilton qualified second on the grid for the 2020 season-opener, narrowly losing out to Mercedes team-mate Valtteri Bottas in the fight for pole position.

    But the stewards confirmed two hours after the end of qualifying that Hamilton was under investigation for failing to slow for yellow flags, and for exceeding track limits in an earlier Q3 lap.

    Yellow flags were shown following a spin for Bottas ahead of Hamilton on-track, with the Briton going on to improve his time by one-tenth of a second.

    The stewards confirmed after meeting with Hamilton that there would be no further action taken over the yellow flag infringement after finding there had been a mix up with the marshal panel lights.

    "The driver mentioned that he passed a green light panel in Turn 5," the stewards' report reads.

    "The video footage confirmed that there have been yellow flags and green light panels at the same time and therefore conflicting signals were shown to the driver.

    "Taking this into account, the Stewards decide to take no further action."
     
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  5. wildcat326

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    Folks, I'm gonna take one for the team: They can use my 308 for tomorrow's race:D
     
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  6. LVP488

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    So Lando Norris is 4th while having allegedly one of the worst engine of the grid, and the Ferrari are 7th and 11th.. doesn't look very promising.
     
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  7. csmjr91090

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    This is going to be a tough season. Ferrari has many problems, but one of the larger ones is the FIA. I know non-SF fans will see this as sour grapes, but the double standards are too blatant to ignore. Whatever Ferrari does is always deemed to be wrong, but if other teams, namely Mercedes and other UK based teams do it, it's praised as "innovative!" and "in the spirit of Formula One!".

    I know there are rules, but they are applied unevenly. If innovation is what F1 is about, then let Ferrari also try things that are innovative, even if they are in the grey area. Why is a team like Mercedes allowed to "consult" the FIA while developing a system like DAS? Some will say its Mercedes doing their due diligence. But how would the F1 world react if Ferrari had worked with the FIA to develop their Engine technology?

    Look at Racing Point and their obvious copy of the W10. This is not in the "spirit of Formula One" and it's against the rules. But they are a UK based team, and basically the Mercedes junior team.

    To make myself clear, Mercedes is the class of the field as a team. Their work ethic and desire to be better even when they're perfect is what makes them what they are.

    That leads me to Ferrari's problems. Binotto is not the Team Principal to lead this team to a World Championship. But he isn't the main problem. Ferrari needs leadership that pushes this team to be the best. Camilleri and Elkann are not those guys. When Sergio Marchionne passed away, this team lost its way. He had a vision for the future of this team, something I can't say about current leadership. Ferrari needs to be ruled by an iron fist...an Enzo Ferrari. While there will never be another Enzo, Scuderia Ferrari needs a leader who is focused solely on the team's on-track performance.

    Until that happens, changing Team Principals will solve nothing. The results will be the same year after year. Different boss, same circus.
     
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  8. lagunacc

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    Pressure's on LH and he upped it with the *lm evangelism, but Merc's lip service to diversity is just that.
    No way they'll give Bottas equal treatment, especially in this climate.

    The short season will help him though.
     
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  9. fer312t

    fer312t Formula Junior

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    Would it not just be easier if they started 'sabotaging' him before qualifying ;)
     
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  10. zygomatic

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    They did, and it didn't work: Bottas had hydraulic gremlins heading into qualifying. Still the season is young, I'm sure the saboteurs need time to return to form as well.

    ;)
     
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  11. PerKr

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    if I was managing Mercedes, I would definitely be telling Bottas to let Hamilton win (if it turned out during the race that this was necessary). Having a 7 times WCD marketing your streetcars would be gold
     
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  12. jgonzalesm6

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  13. WPOZZZ

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    Poor Charles may be regretting that long contract he has with Ferrari.
     
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  14. Top speed

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    Asked by The Race where he felt the deficit was given the data clashed with Ferrari’s position of talking its aerodynamic performance down, Wolff said: “Not they have talked it down, but Mattia has talked it down.

    “And I can’t listen to that anymore.”

    Ferrari qualified on pole in Austria one year ago and finished second in the race with Leclerc.

    “I’d like to cheer everybody up at Ferrari because this is a fantastic company with fantastic people but I have no reason to cheer Mattia up,” Wolff said when asked how he might find positives for Binotto following a disappointing day.

    https://the-race.com/formula-1/wolff-tired-of-ferrari-engine-saga-and-aero-weakness-talk/

    Toto getting weirdly personal against Binotto...
     
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  15. freshmeat

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    Alonso was right all along when he left Ferrari and said that Ferrari wouldn’t be able to deliver a championship winning car in the next 5 yrs...
     
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  16. petrol_junkie

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  17. jgonzalesm6

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    According to AMuS Michael Schmidt: "From the environment in Maranello you can hear that the engine costs them half a second per lap."


    The main PU components got frozen this year: ICE, turbo, MGU-H, fuel and oil. You can only modify the MGU-K, battery & electronics. The rest will be like this until the end of the 2021 season.

    https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferrari-krise-oesterreuch-qualifying/
     
  18. Mitch Alsup

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    I don't see anything in the rules where one cannot simply take a lot of high resolution photographs of the car and then create as close a duplicate as your staff can perform.

    As long as you scrutinize the photos, and then build all the parts yourself, it should be OK--in fact this is the way forward for back markers. Make a copy of last years winner.
    The cars are neither patented nor trademarked, and thereby anyone with the means can copy away.
     
  19. Mitch Alsup

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    For a low downforce low drag car, they are very sloe.
     
  20. DF1

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    One can do this of course. Liking or respecting it is not at all required lol :)
     
  21. Top speed

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    It is unfortunate if Ferrari can't offer Charles the car to compete for the championship during the 5 years of his contract, he has the talent to be a multiple time WDC. But I can't see Leclerc considering about ''abandoning the ship'', he is a Ferrari academy product and the red car is his dream. I quite liked his comments after the Qualification, hopefully he'll develop into a great team leader who can help the red cars back on top once again:

    "It was a difficult day but at least now we know where we are. As a team all we can do is cheer up and find the positive in all of this, even though it’s not easy. We need to work all together in a constructive way and try to do the best job possible to improve things in the next few races."

    "We should keep our moral up and be motivated and just work to improve. This is the way forward to get out of these hard times. The balance of the car is quite good but it’s the overall performance which is still not good enough."
     
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  22. jpalmito

    jpalmito Formula 3

    With this poor PU for the next two years , they will waste a lot of money for nothing , no hope .
    It's 2014 all over again.
    Camilleri shouldn't accept that and seriously start imagine to leave this sport.
    WEC and indycar are good options now.
     
  23. csmjr91090

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    Why do that when they can just do it during the race? "Valtteri, it's James..."

    Gotta keep things up for appearances sake.
     
  24. sammysaber

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    BBC 5 Live mentioned Vettel was 19th (didn't say LeClerc was 20th) and I thought they'd made a mistake - then again our Alfas were the fastest and look where they ended up :D

    Welcome :)

    Best,
    Sammy
     
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  25. classic308

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    it’s amateur hour in Maranello.
     

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