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Formula Three? it's harder than F1

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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/stillatthewheel/archive/2010/11/12/formula-three-it-s-harder-than-f1.aspx


    Formula Three? it's harder than F1

    Steve Sutcliffe


    Having now driven a Formula Three car (this year’s championship-winning machine from Carlin) and a relatively recent F1 car (the not exactly championship-threatening but still fairly tasty Honda RA-107 from 2007), I’m convinced that, in most key areas, an F3 car is harder to get the most out of than an F1 car.

    Is that how it should be, given that F1 represents the pinnacle of the sport while F3, highly regarded though it may be, is still a mere stepping stone on the ladder towards F1?
    I drove the F3 car at Pembrey in the rain. The Honda I drove at Silverstone, again in the wet. And while the RA-107 was one of the last of the F1 cars still to feature driver aids (traction control and all), it still had 850bhp and was quite some monster to keep under control around the soaking wet National circuit at Silverstone.

    Yet lap time-wise, I was far more competitive in the F1 car than I was in the F3 car, only some of which can be explained by, shall we say, my less-than-F3 physique.

    Fact is, the F3 car is all about momentum; about squeezing every last ounce of performance out of the 2.0-litre 210bhp engine, and then trying to maintain that momentum into, through, and out of corners. And if you lose that momentum for whatever reason - making a less-than-perfect gearchange in the manual sequential gearbox, not braking in the perfect spot, getting a teeny bit of wheelspin out of a slow corner or just being a bit clumsy with your turn-in technique, thereby scrubbing off half a mile per hour on entry - you are, relatively speaking, screwed compared with the next bloke. Because there is no way of getting it back.

    In the F1 car, however, there is so much poke available at any given moment, you can always recover a small mistake by making better use of the power at the next corner. You can get yourself out of trouble, in other words, because there is always an excess of grunt to play with. And because there’s a flawless paddle-shift transmission as well, you simply can’t make a mistake when changing gear either, which has a knock-on beneficial effect to the braking process. You can’t fluff your braking while doing a heel and toe downshift, basically, because you don’t have to heel and toe - and that in turn allows you to focus entirely on the business of braking while braking, rather than changing gear.

    Of course, managing the effects of 850bhp rather than 210bhp requires a fair bit more concentration. The aerodynamic performance of an F1 car is also rather more seismic than that of an F3 car. But, like I say, having now driven both, I’m absolutely certain I which one felt easier to get the most out of overall. And it wasn’t the one with that normally has a teenager behind the wheel.

    The next time F1’s rule makers sit down and wonder how they can improve the sport, maybe they should think about making the cars themselves harder to drive - more like F3 cars, if only to make a clearer distinction between the haves and the have-nots within the sport.
     
  2. william

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    Commenting on the above about F3, I remember reading an interview with Connie Andersson, many years ago, in which he stated that he had found F3 more challenging for him than F1, and prefered it.

    Connie Andersson raced F3 for 10 seasons, before driving in F1 for Surtees and BRM, and ... returning to F3 for the rest of his career.
     
  3. Fast_ian

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    I dunno who Steve Sutcliffe is, but I'm gonna throw the BS flag on that one!.....

    - At 9/10s [and I suspect 7/10ths) an F1 car is indeed a beast, but at the limit - Like we just saw in quali today, there's nothing that can compare IMO. One mistake, and it's pretty much over.

    Maybe he should go and drive a Formula Ford car if he wants to learn about momentum and "getting it right".... The *only* guy I ever saw dominate in FF was Ayrton - Nobody could figure it out.....

    Cheers,
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    PS - Plus, he's in the wet, with TC - Of course it's "easier"....
     
  4. brian.s

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    I knew Connie and was with Surtees when he drove, he was less than stellar in F1, and not a lot better in F3 as evidenced by 10 seasons there..
     
  5. william

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    I would agree with you that Connie Andersson wasn't a top driver in either category.
    But I wouldn't dismiss his judgement altogether. He had more success in F3 although he mostly drove as a private.

    Let's not forget, for example, that the 1.5 L F1 between 1961 and 1965, had about the same power as F3 have now, and we used to decide World Championship with cars developing 180/200hp then!
     
  6. ProCoach

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    Wasn't F3 a 1-liter MAE class then, Brian?
     
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    Connie spent a couple of seasons in the "screamer" era, probably the best ever formula series. Later we used the 1600 with restrictor. I believe Connie ran his own Brabhams, then later the ubiquitous March 7x3. He was certainly overshadowed by the likes of Ronnie, and Wissell early days. I can remember Connie calling by the P&M premises in the late 60s/early 70s. there was much 'trading' of race parts for certain types of literature more easily obtained in Scandinavia......
     
  8. Gilles27

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    My thoughts as well.
     
  9. mousecatcher

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    As someone who is well below even amateur status as a driver, Sutcliffe's comments are completely void. Not to mention that he drove each of them ONCE, in the RAIN.

    All cars are momentum cars when you look at the pointy end of the grid.
     

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