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  1. dogue

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    #1 dogue, Sep 13, 2005
    I know everyone has an opinion on the accuracy of any list, but the way they tabulate the order is strange to me. Why would you not average the scores to find the winners instead of penalizing the ones that were not rated for what ever reason. If the expert decided not to rank a car that should not be a zero score for that particular car, IMO.

    Here are the lists in the order Forza put them and their score. The next number is the average score depending on how many experts ranked the car.
    Vintage list
    166 Barchetta - 59 (8.4)
    250 GT Spyder California - 48 (8)
    250 GT SWB - 47 (6.7)
    410 Superamerica - 36 (4.5)
    275 GTB - 31 (5.1)
    250 GT TdF -25 (6.25)
    250 GT LWB - 24 (6)
    250 GTE - 22 (5.5)
    330 GTC - 20 (4)
    250 GTO - 19 (9.5)

    1969-2005
    F40 - 44 (5.5)
    308 - 41 (6.8)
    Boxer - 41 (6.8)
    Daytona - 39 (6.5)
    Dino - 39 (7.8)
    288 GTO - 37.5 (5.3)
    Enzo - 32 (6.4)
    550 - 27 (4.5)
    360 - 25 (3)
    F50 - 19.5 (4.9)

    The order would have been quite different in both cases.
     
  2. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

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    #2 ferraripete, Sep 13, 2005
    no comment yet...still need to think about this.
     
  3. Modenafan

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    #3 Modenafan, Sep 13, 2005
    That's it, I'm cancelling my subscription. Obviously I have a 360.
     
  4. Murph

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    #4 Murph, Sep 13, 2005
    I'm with ya Jon.
    The F40 ahead of the Boxer, what were they thinking.
     
  5. dogue

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    #5 dogue, Sep 13, 2005
    The most glaring to me is that the out of the 8 experts only 2 rated the 250 GTO one said it was the best of 10 and the the other said it was the second best of 10, because the other experts decided not to rate the car should not put it in last place, IMO. Also the F40 highest ranking was 3rd by one of the experts, but because all 8 rated the car it pushed it to first place? Of course I do not agree with the list in either order, but the averages seems more accurate.

    This is the way the list would look if they tabulated and used an average.

    Vintage list
    250 GTO - 19 (9.5)
    166 Barchetta - 59 (8.4)
    250 GT Spyder California - 48 (8)
    250 GT SWB - 47 (6.7)
    250 GT TdF -25 (6.25)
    250 GT LWB - 24 (6)
    250 GTE - 22 (5.5)
    275 GTB - 31 (5.1)
    410 Superamerica - 36 (4.5)
    330 GTC - 20 (4)


    1969-2005
    Dino - 39 (7.8)
    308 - 41 (6.8)
    Boxer - 41 (6.8)
    Daytona - 39 (6.5)
    Enzo - 32 (6.4)
    F40 - 44 (5.5)
    288 GTO - 37.5 (5.3)
    F50 - 19.5 (4.9)
    550 - 27 (4.5)
    360 - 25 (3)
     
  6. Jerrari

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    #6 Jerrari, Sep 13, 2005
    I agree with your 1969-2005 list 100% except I'd put the 308 and Dino in a dead heat for 1st. The other list I'd have to think about some more.
     
  7. dogue

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    #7 dogue, Sep 13, 2005
    To clarify this is not my list, but the averages (total points/number of experts). My list would be completely different probably the top of the list would be very similar to this list, but unfortunately I have never driven a 288 GTO, Daytona, F50, Enzo or 360 so I really cannot judge them for that reason. And again unfortunately I don't have any time behind the wheel of any of the Vintage cars listed.

    Now if the Dino considered was a 206 GT, I would be hard pressed to find a car that is more fun to drive. The right sound, feel, smell and it has the right look interior and exterior. The wood steering wheel and mouse hair dash really make it exquisit on the inside and the beautiful exterior. Being that the entire car (body and engine block) is Aluminum and very rare make this an exceptional car, IMO.
     
  8. ferrari4evr1

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    #8 ferrari4evr1, Sep 13, 2005
    You forgot "one of the" most famous Ferrari's (they did rather) in the world!!!!
    The Testarossa from the second list and the Testa-rossa from the Vintage list....
     
  9. Auraraptor

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    #9 Auraraptor, Sep 14, 2005
    No TR/512TR/F512M.

    Nuf said.
     
  10. dogue

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    #10 dogue, Sep 14, 2005
    Again, I did not compile the list it is from Forza Magazine.

    I agree about the Testarossa on the modern list, but the Testa Rossa of the 50s was never a Road Car, which is what the list was compiled for.
     
  11. amenasce

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    #11 amenasce, Sep 14, 2005
    Top list of what ??

    A Cali ranked higher than a SWB ?? are they nuts ?
     
  12. Anteriore

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    #12 Anteriore, Sep 14, 2005
    One top 10 list for the best 10 road cars pre 1969
    One top 10 list for the best 10 road cars after 1969.

    I consider most of these lists as bs anyway. It seems almost every magazine has done something like it and the outcome is always very different.

    I am with you when it comes to raking a California higher than an SWB; both are great cars but a SWB should be well ahead...
     
  13. DSeibert

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    #13 DSeibert, Sep 15, 2005
    I would humbly suggest that all of you read the articles and not simply look at the lists. As the article mentions, these lists are of SIGNIFICANT Ferraris, not the best Ferraris, or the cars we wished we'd owned, or whatever. Certainly there is a legitimate argument that the rankings could have been tabulated in a different way; the editor of the magazine did it the way he preferred.

    The GTO made few individual lists because most felt that it was not really a road car. It's also arguable that the GTO, as an evolution of the SWB, is less significant than the SWB, which broke new ground. As noted in the article, I personally felt that the Boxer line (which I like) was not as significant as some others, as that line has died out. The 308 was a ground-breaking car for Ferrari; the 328/348/355/360s may (and were) all have been improvements, but again, they did not have the significant impact the 308 did.

    Lists like these are clearly matters of opinion, but before you dismiss these out of hand, at least understand what they are (and aren't). I do know that if you have reasoned opinions why cars which were omitted, or which were low on the list should be included in a different position, the editor would love to hear from you.

    D. Seibert
     
  14. parkerfe

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    #14 parkerfe, Sep 15, 2005
    But, the Boxer begot the TR which became a Ferrari icon and remains so today; even though Ferrari no longer makes a flat-12 car. And, the Boxer was the desire of every teenage boy's dreams in Europe and Asia in the late 70s and early 80s. We yanks just didn't know much about it as it was never officially exported to the USA. That being said, the 308 should be listed as #1 IMHO because without the 308 there would be no Ferrari Spa today.
     
  15. amenasce

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    #15 amenasce, Sep 16, 2005

    But..but...its a V8 :D !
     
  16. jaturon

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    #16 jaturon, Sep 16, 2005
    What?

    No 512TR nor 328GTS on the list!
    I'm cancelling my subscription!
     
  17. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    #17 parkerfe, Sep 16, 2005
    I know , but un-informed Americans still bought the underpowered thing because their hero drove it on Magnum PI even though it only had a v8. Ignorance is bliss!
     
  18. ferraripete

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    #18 ferraripete, Sep 16, 2005
    besides, it's hard to fault a car that takes the best of the 246 and 512 to c
    reate a car that has no bad details physically! 308's are lovely to this day!
     
  19. ferrari4evr1

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    #19 ferrari4evr1, Sep 16, 2005
    Thats why i said "they did rather" in my post...........



    Are you saying that there was never a "street" version TR of the 50's???
    Are you sure about that???
     
  20. Old Guy

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    #20 Old Guy, Sep 16, 2005

    Yes.

    O.G.
     
  21. Sempre_gilles

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    #21 Sempre_gilles, Sep 19, 2005
    This list is simply a personal view on different Ferrari models.

    It is certainly not my view....
     

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