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Friggin' drivers trying to merge.....

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  1. AnotherDunneDeal

    AnotherDunneDeal F1 Veteran

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    I was on the way home from work today and was two exits from mine. I commute 28 miles each direction so I had already gone about 26 1/2 miles. Traffic was very heavy on highway 820 east leaving Fort Worth and was bumper to bumper going only about 5 mph. It had been this way since passing I-35 about three miles back. I am in the left hand lane and moving along slowly when I see this blue Altima coming down the onramp at a good speed. As he came up beside me he began to try to move me over. I was watching him as he neared my passenger side when the Chevy Trailblazer in front of me decided to stop. I hit the rear of the trailblazer and impaled my front end on the trailer hitch of the Trailblazer.

    The bumper of the Trailblazer had a one inch gouge in it but the front of our Grand Caravan was heavily damaged. Bumper, hood, both front fenders, both headlights, turn signals all have to be replaced. The radiator, which I bought new just a month ago is ruined. Now, I am at fault because the Altima went on past the two of us and pulled into our lane and kept going. I guess I should have just put the right front fender of the van into his driver door as he tried to bully his way in. At least I would have the satisfaction of retaliating against an idiot trying to force his way through traffic. Grrrrrr,,,,idiot drivers...

    They say that the van may actually be totalled. And this at about 5 mph. DO NOT have a wreck in a Chrysler product. It is made of aluminum foil.......
     
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  3. Rev.ATARI

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    So someone was trying to merge onto the highway, you refused to let them in and you rear ended someone? Wow that’s cool of you I mean really all you had to do was hold back a bit so he could get in and this would have never happened.
     
  4. cessnav8or

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    Not true. I walked away from a crash in a 2004 Durango that should have killed me.

    I was travelng down the interstate on my way to work my cell phone rang and I tried to get it but knocke it between the seat and the console. I was fishing it out and drifted into the emergency lane. When I felt my tires hit the warning bumps on the emergency lane I went to correct but there was a tractor trailer parked there I never hit the brakes going about 70. My right front corner hit his left rear corner of his trailer. It spun me around on the interstate and I ended up in the emergency lane parked nose to nose with the tractor trailer. I popped my seat belt and opened my driver door and got out of the Durango without a scratch. Everybody that saw the car kept telling me I would wake up sore the next morning but nothing.

    The right side of the durango was mangled but it tore the front wheel off. It looked like a waded up soda can. There is nothing wrong with the quality chrysler products as far as I am concerned. Thanks to the crumple zones all safety equipment working as designed that day I am alive to tell that story here today.

    If there is a lesson to be learned form this it is don't mess with a cell phone while driving. If somebody calls they will call back later.
     
  5. SRT Mike

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    So.... you were in bumper-to-bumper traffic and were tailgating the car in front of you, trying to stop someone coming down the onramp getting in front of you. And it's only your fault "because the Altima went on past the two of us"???

    Hard not to sound like a dink, but it's your fault because *you* were trying to be a bully and stop someone getting in front of you - and you were paying more attention to that guy coming up on you and weren't watching the car in front, and you caused an accident, doing heavy damage to your car and damaging someone else's car too.

    The 'idiot driver' wasn't the guy in the Altima.

    When traffic is essentially bumper-to-bumper, most drivers act courteously and use a 1-to-1 formation letting one guy on the on ramp go, and one guy on the highway go. That's courtesy and fair. Even if the 1-to-1 merge was happenning behind you and the Altima guy zipped around the merge point to get further ahead, only a would-be hotheaded bully would be so focused on stopping him getting in front that he'd wad his car up against the one in front of him!
     
  6. WJHMH

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    Bad Karma for the Altima driver, I hope they gets what coming to them. Sorry to hear James, I know area of North FTW all too well. Good thing no one was hurt & I hope everything works out ok.
     
  7. 62 250 GTO

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    Having to watch out for retards can take attention away from things that are equally important. Sorry for the trouble.
     
  8. AnotherDunneDeal

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    #8 AnotherDunneDeal, Aug 2, 2008
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    Sorry dude. I was not tailgating. We were only traveling about 5 mph. The guy in the Altima came down the onramp way too fast. I was not trying to block him as I normally hold off and let impatient people in. I always adhere to the 1 to 1 pattern that you speak of. However this guy way about two inches from my passenger side door. I had my foot off the fuel, coasting and began to apply it just as I made contact with the car in front of me. I guess someone about to make contact with your car would not distract you. I am glad you can stay so focused. This is the first accident I have had in the past 23 years and only the third in my 46 years of driving. It is also the first that is unquestionably my fault. I rearended the car in front of me when they stopped suddenly and I was distracted. It is indeed my fault but I was not trying to keep the guy in Altima from cutting me off. I am not asking for your sympathy.

    Apparently you did not read the whole first post. I was not even in the merge or right hand lane. I was in the left lane and the Altima had to come through the merge lane to get into the lane I was in. He did not merge into the merge lane but sailed on across it into our lane. Maybe he did not see me in that lane. I do not know.

    If you do not drive in the Metroplex of Dallas/Fort Worth you do not know that if you leave the legal distance between you and the car in front of you, you will be cut off by three cars leaving just inches between their rear bumpers and your front bumper. I was about two car lengths behind the Trailblazer at about 5 mph. If I had not been distracted and took my eyes off the car in front I could have easily stopped in that distance. I guess the guy in the Altima assumed that he could shoot through both lanes and get into the two lengths in front of me. I do not know. I have driven enough race cars in different situations to have pretty good reflexes but this was a different type of situation.

    As far as being a "bully". Thank you for your judgment of me when you know nothing about me and my attitudes and personality. I think those on here who know me know that I am about as non-confrontational a person as there is. You were not there and you did not even complete reading the whole first post. You have little to make a personal judgment on.

    Hot-headed I am not. And I do not hold grudges. That is for others.

    Within one hour of the time the accident happened my insurance company had contacted the other person and the body shop where I had my car towed to had also contacted her. I told her at the accident scene that I was totally at fault and would accept the blame. Like I said, her bumper received very little in the way of damage and no body panel was even touched.

    With that, I end my response to you.....
     
  9. SRT Mike

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    The only thing I had to base my response to you on was the fact that you said the other driver as an idiot, and that you were at fault "because the Altima guy kept on going".

    That's not why you were at fault - you were at fault because you weren't watching where you were going and you caused an accident.

    5mph huh? Those Chryslers must be fragile like you said if the car is totalled because of a 5mph collision. I guess those 5mph bumper laws are being violated by Chrysler - you should sue :rolleyes:


    I've had people virtually merge into my car... I just get on the brakes and let them go. Why wreck your car to make a point? The guy obviously was not 2 inches from your car or your mirror would be hitting his mirror... so you saw him moving in and didn't brake and didn't watch traffic... bad idea, you can't rely on other drivers to keep you safe.

    There are 2 sides to every story and I suspect there is another, radically different, one to the one we've heard so far :)

    But hey, it's just a car - can be fixed and nobody got hurt - so not such a big deal. And lesson learned for next time!
     
  10. AnotherDunneDeal

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    #10 AnotherDunneDeal, Aug 2, 2008
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    I was watching exactly where I was going until my peripheral vision caught the other guy coming into my lane. I had seen him half way up the onramp but mistakedly assumed he would merge into the right hand lane, not cross through the lane and attempt to come into the left hand lane. It all happened in a fraction of time. Like I said, I was already coasting with my foot off the accelerator. I glanced away for just a second to see what was happening and jerked the wheel to the left. In that fraction, the car in front stopped. After I made impact with the Trailblazer we might have moved forward three feet. Very low speed impact. I am sure the car crumpled like it should have to absorb the impact but it surprised me to see how slow an impact it take to really deform the body panels. The whole front is not crumpled. The bumper is bent pretty well, the hood is slightly buckled and the fenders bow out slightly.

    The only reason it might be totaled is because it is a 1997 model with over 200k miles on it. The cost of replacing the panels that are bent and the radiator will probably cost more than the current value of the vehicle. I am told the value of the vehicle is approximately $4k so it will not take much in repair costs to outrun the value of the car.

    When I say the Altima passed the two of us and kept going I mean that he swerved back to the right cutting off the car who had just let him in, accelerated and cut back in front of the Trailblazer as we were making contact. He almost rearended the car the Trailblazer had stopped for. The last I saw of him, he was going in and out of traffic with no signals and allowing just inches of clearance between cars.

    I have already admitted it was my fault entirely. I rearended someone. My bad. However, I would not have done it if the Altima had not sped into traffic and began attempting to weave in and out and distracted me. I am a safe driver and watch traffic. It appears to me that you are attempting to say to me that if you were in the same position you would never make contact with another vehicle. I am really glad you are a perfect driver. I am sure your record reflects the fact that you would never be involved in an accident. Does being perfect help your insurance rates? I am not perfect and can make mistakes. I admit I made this one. I am glad the occupants of the other vehicle were not injured.

    By the way, the driver of the other car saw the Altima cutting in between her and the car in front of her also. Her story matches mine. She does not know how the Altima missed her and the car in front of her. I resent the fact that you say I am embellishing the facts. A witness to the incident related the story to the officer who came to investigate and related something very similar. He almost hit me from the rear.

    End of story..........
     
  11. djui5

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  12. Artherd

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    With SRT Mike on this. You should have braked. Safety first. Keep the items posing a danger in front of you. That means let the Altima get in front, help it get in front, whatever. Just avoid impact, avoid confrontation. It's not about principles when things escalate to the point of imminent impact...you need to evade the imminent impact. Which meant braking to let the guy in. That would have stopped you from hitting the vehicle in front of you too.

    Really simple. I am thinking the Altima driver estimated your closing speed and judged it to be safe to "skim" by you and get in your lane. You weren't having it, so you just lifted off the gas, knowing that closing distances and speeds would make it impossible for him to merge between you and the car ahead, and yet you could tell yourself you didn't speed up to actively block him. This is passive-active aggression. Don't sweat it, we all do it from time to time. Nobody likes dick drivers. So you just pretend that you are not actively doing anything to impede their progress, when in fact you are. Most of the time, you can catch them out if you are a decent driver and feel like being ****** to someone else for no real reason. After all, what's the harm with letting someone in a hurry go? This guy was swift and alert. Oh well.
     
  13. M.James

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    LOL....let's all remember SRT Mike (and I, sadly) are in Mass - we have a common 'driving maneuver' up here called the 'New England Yield'.....to save money (or enrichen the pockets of MA insurance companies), most highway on-ramps here have NO YIELD SIGNS. Therefore, as the driver's mentality goes, there is no need/responsibility to 'yield'...it is the responsibiltiy of the highway traffic to 'move out of the way' for traffic entering the highway from the on-ramp, often at full-speed, with absolutely NO REGARD for anyone else. Sometimes, you have to see this automotive arrogance to believe it. Sounds to me like the Altima driver was practicing this same maneuver.

    People from MA (NO, I'm not 'from here'), seem to believe this is acceptable driver behavior, the 'New England Yield'. Given the fact that Massachussets' drivers were recently ranked 48th in the Nation (third WORST), I would not accept anyone from this state as being a 'definitive authority' on driving ability or driver etiquette.
     
  14. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Thanks,

    I needed the popcorn to finish out this mini-drama.

    Guys, I did not start this thread to try to stir something up or forgive myself of any blame. I just wanted to say that the way some people enter the roadway with no regard for anyone else really tees me off. I really was paying attention to what was going on in front of me except for the one second, well maybe two second, distraction to glance over to see where the Altima driver was going. I had been following the Trailblazer for 20 minutes and none of us were making much progress in a forward motion. It was just a strange coincidence that the Trailblazer would brake and come to a complete stop just as I glanced away. Being in the left hand lane and not the merge lane, like I said, I falsely assumed the Altima would merge into the right hand lane. Which, of course, he did not do. To see him in my peripheral vision suddenly coming very close to the passenger side of the car startled me and I reacted by looking over to see what was happening. I am the first to drop back and let others in when they enter the right hand lane. Others do it for me and I return the favor. If he had entered the right lane and then put on his turn signal to let me know he wanted in my lane I would have given it up and let him in. None of us were going anywhere anyway. And I was about to move into the right hand lane myself because mine was the next exit. That is why I had lifted off the accelerator and coasted. I was going to drop in behind the car in the right hand.

    So, one more time. This thing was totally my fault and I accept that. What is so silly is that everything was really happening in slow motion. I do not blame the Altima for the accident, just causing the distraction. I think that it could happen to anyone given the same circumstances. I did my part and set up all the contacts between the driver of the other vehicle and my insurance company and the body shop doing my work. I told her that I am completely at fault and also told her insurance company that I was at fault also. They did not have to do an investigation to decide that I screwed up. Her insurance company told me that they are closing the file on this one and will let my insurance company handle it all. Of course, that is the way it should be. I am at fault on this one.

    So now, do you have any diet Coke to go with the popcorn? I hope you enjoyed the show..................

    Oh, my autographs go for $25. How many do you want?
     
  15. Darolls

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    James, I believe many had a misunderstanding as to what occurred because of the way your original post was worded. Also, the title of the thread didn't help in your defense! I think most now understand what really occurred.........

    Ummm.....am I entitled to a free autograph for my kind words? :D
     
  16. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Yeah, the first thread was shortly after it happened and I guess I left out some of the details that completely changed the character of the incident.

    We could probably work something out. I mean, it will probably be worth at least a quarter in a few years.......
     
  17. AnotherDunneDeal

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    WHAT A DEAL! ;)
     
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    You is right, that's why I quit working 27 years ago!
     
  20. TexasF355F1

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    People don't know how to merge. And it ticks me off when you are allowing a car or two to enter the freeway in traffic and they feel it necessary to follow the line until it completely merges instead of just getting in front of you. THERE IS NOT AN INVISIBLE LINE PREVENTING YOU FROM MOVING YOUR ASS OVER IMMEDIATELY!!!!

    Occasionally I will be a prick and be so tired of them taking their sweet time and just fly by them because they're wasting my time.
     
  21. AnotherDunneDeal

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    Merge, merge, what is that????? I agree......
     
  22. The Speedfighter

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    To give you guys a story from my side which has to do with merging as well.

    I'm driving happy from work on Friday the 13th (how awkward) to home. Still enjoyed the fact I bought my little C2 VTR roughly 3 months before. Well I have to give a colleague of mine a lift home. Driving in the middle lane of a 3 lane road, and wanted to merge to the far left lane. Well turned on my indicator, look in my mirror and in my blindspot and nothing coming. Well my passenger is sometimes annoying so he checks as well. Again nothing coming, I started to merge and look again in my blind spot, and suddenly a 1989 Corrola pushes his car through the curb and my car. He stops out of nowhere, so I almost bump into him as well. I get out of my car furious and have a look at my car. Well slight damage at my front left guard. So I go up to him, and say mate you saw me bloody merging why didn't you brake?? He said well I'm really sorry but I thought I could make it, but it's totally my fault. So I'm happy, and I call the police. Police shows up, and the guy says well the driver in the red car didn't pay any attention and I couldn't brake anymore. So after all it turned out to be my mistake and have to pay all the damage (total of 2000 aus dollars). Luckily insurance jumps in.

    Well that was my experience.
     
  23. Oceanic815

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    DFW traffic sucks; I empathize with you North Texans.

    Having a vehicle imapaled on a trailer hitch can cause extensive damage; my Accord was totalled at Frankford Road and the Dallas North Tollway when a Wrangler backed into it and got snagged by its ball hitch on my radiator support in 2001... it missed my bumper completely.
     
  24. djui5

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    Anything for you little buddy ;)
     

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