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Frozen Brake Caliper (Frozen Disc)

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  1. buymorecars

    buymorecars Rookie

    Oct 21, 2007
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    Need your assistance once again…. I haven’t driven my 308GTS (1981) for a number of years (I know, don’t tell me I am crazy for a number of reasons). Anyway, one of the front right discs is frozen in the caliper. As you may be aware, a new caliper is about $800 which is way beyond my budget. If this occurred in a typical American car, the advise would be to throw out the caliper and just go out and purchase a new one for $50 or so. Obviously in this case the purchase option is my last choice.
    I have been told to remove the caliper from the wheel support (which removes the caliper away from the wheel and to push the brake pedal in forcing the discs out and then take a clamp and force (by screwing the clamp) the discs back into the calipers. I would guess I could do this several times which would, in effect, loosen the disc(s). Is this the correct way to loosen the disc???? Is there anything I could spray around the disc to help loosen it? I assume I could use brake fluid. Is there anything else? Would you have any other ideas as to how to loosen this frozen disc? Thanks for your advise.
     
  2. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    Dec 29, 2006
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    First off let's get the terminology right.

    The "disc" is the part (also known as a "rotor") that the brake caliper acts upon to stop the car.

    It appears that you have caliper "pistons" that are frozen.

    This is almost certainly due to rust, a result of moisture accumulation in the brake fluid.

    Another possibility is that the flexible hose connected to this wheel has deteriorated internally and is preventing fluid movement.

    Either way, the only responsible thing to do is to flush/bleed the system with fresh fluid (observe carefully whether fluid bleeds out of the affected caliper). If yes then it will be necessary to disassemble and rebuild the stuck caliper.

    If you are unable to bleed one or more wheels then you likely need new hoses.

    There is nothing you can spray to free the stuck piston and while you might get it loose with some application of force, the rust will most certainly result in pretty severe leaks.

    What I am describing here is an absolute minimum amount of work. What I would recommend is that your entire brake system be carefully inspected and probably rebuilt.
     
  3. silvergt4

    silvergt4 Rookie

    Nov 15, 2007
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    If on a limited budget, you could remove the offending caliper, free off and remove the pistons, clean them and replace their seals, replace the flexi hose that feeds that caliper (its cheap), refit, bleed the system and very carefully test drive.

    If during the bleeding process the fluid comes out filthy or if the piston or cylinder walls are badly corroded, you will need to spend more money.

    Giles Amos
    308 GT4
    Alfa 1750 Berlina
    Alfa 2000 Berlina
     
  4. ckracing

    ckracing Formula Junior

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    I see a pair on ebay. Also Porsche used the same caliper on one of their 911 cars.
    Charles
     
  5. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

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    If the piston is stuck, you really should do more than just try to free it up. There is obviously an internal problem that needs fixing, whether it is rust or a bad seal or the brake line delaminating.

    IMHO, you should remove both front calipers and rebuild them (don't do just the right one, you want both front calipers working exactly the same to avoid pulling). The stock brake calipers are made by ATE, and repair kits are readily available for them, as are replacement pistons. If you don't have the mechanical skills to rebuild them yourself, there are plenty of places that can do them for you. The fronts are the same at the late 70's - early 80's Porsche 911. No big deal to have them done. I had mine done by East Coast Jaguar in Delaware last summer. ([email protected]), but there are lots of other places that can do them. Check the sticky on parts interchange in the 308/328 forum and you'll get the info on the repair kits. Also, replacement calipers are not that expensive, if you buy them from a Porsche parts supplier. I had looked into it myself and IIRC, they were around $250 each from one of the big Porsche parts houses. But these are easily rebuildable, and you don't need a "Ferrari expert" to do them. Any brake shop that works on foreign brakes can do them, as they are NOT Ferrari-specific parts, with the exception of the rear parking brake mechanicals (but even those can be serviced by anyone).

    BTW, treat your car to some stainless steel braided brake lines, front and rear, and some new pads. While you have the calipers off, have the front rotors resurfaced at a local auto parts store or brake shop. Your car will thank you for it. And check the rear rotors as well. This is a good time to service the entire system.

    Hope that helps.

    Steve
     
  6. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    Good advice.

    You don't need to spend a fortune (relatively speaking of course) but brakes are no place to cut corners.
     
  7. buymorecars

    buymorecars Rookie

    Oct 21, 2007
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    Just had the opportunity to check your responses and I greatly appreciate all of your insights, especially the first one recommending to use the correct terminology -- appreciate the clarification. I will only be able to take a closer look and institute your recommendations when I return home in another 1 1/2 weeks. I believe I now have enough information to resolve this problem. Thank you very much to all of you who have helped out. Best to each of you.
     
  8. wrxmike

    wrxmike Moderator
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    And Alfa's too, the 308 GTB front caliper is the same as my '69 1750 Alfa, except the Ferrari caliper has an alumnium spacer between the caliper halves ( to allow for the thicker vented disk used on the GTB ). BTW Caliper is made by ATE / Germany.

    Also, if you have a stuck piston in the caliper, you do need to have the caliper rebuilt - even if you manage to free it up, it will begin to leak - and brakes is something you don't want to take chances with.
     

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