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Fuel line connection to FD......torque?

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  1. henryk

    henryk Formula Junior

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    I am re-attaching the fuel lines to the FD, using new copper gaskets, after doing a major on my Boxer.

    I would like to know if there is a specific torque figure for these connections. If not, then how do you tighten them?..........to contact plus 1/4 turn? (as an example).

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  2. PAP 348

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    You cannot really put a 'torque' figure on something like that, when ever I replace steel lines I usally tighten them as tight as I can using common sence and the correct size tools also, eg..If I had to tighten up a brake line I would use a small 1/4" spanner and tighten it as tight as I could with the minimal leverage that I have off that spanner, I would not use a 12" shifter to do the job for instance, same goes with a larger diameter hydraulic steel pipe on a loader, it would use common sense if I had to tighten 3/4" pipe, I would only use a 7/8" spanner and not an 18" shifter.

    It's good practice to also use two spanners when tightening up steel lines so you do not twist the lines when you tension it.

    It's good to hear your replacing the copper gaskets also and I hope your major went well on your Boxer ;)
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    I believe the "spec" for the top banjo bolts on the K/KE FDs, where you can actually use a torque wrench, is something like 11 ft-lb, but I use ~13 ft-lb (and do support the line/fitting from twisting during the tightening)-- if going by just feel, you'd actually probably go higher. (Would be interested in your opinion at the 11 ft-lb level.)

    Pap's comments about common sense and the length of the wrench for the size are about all that you can do. They give a bunch of quasi-useless torque specs for various fuel fittings where the only possible tool option is an (or a pair of) open end wrench(es) so you're stuck with doing a "feel the force" x "length of wrench" guesstimate. If it leaks -- go tighter ;)
     
  4. smg2

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    #4 smg2, Jul 2, 2007
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    there is a torque value,
    from the WSM....
    the fuel pipings to the FD and cold start, 8X1 thread = 0.85 daN.m
    Union from FD to WUR, 8X1 thread = 1.25 daN.m
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  5. Steve Magnusson

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    I think you are misreading that table -- injector line to FD = M10x1 (at least on the six position Boxer and TR FD) = 1.5 daN-m = 11 ft-lb
     
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    probably Steve, considering it's a Ferrari torque value chart on a Bosch part they may have it off too. my Bosch service manual for the CIS doesn't list a tq value for the fuel fittings but is very clear on an accurate value for the screws holding down the FD body, 2.4~2.8 ft*lbf.
     
  8. henryk

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    After evaluating the above chart, it a seems that all the 8mm fuel banjo fittings are at 6 ft-lbs.

    I believe there is an error in the chart. It refers to an 8mm fitting, going from the FD to the WUR, to be torqued to 9 ft-lbs. There are actually TWO fuel lines going from the FD to the WUR; one is 8mm and the other is 10mm. I believe they mean that the 10mm fuel fitting is the one with the 9 ft-lbs, while the 8mm being 6 ft-lbs. The 10mm fitting is the one with the "double" banjo unions. The 8mm fitting goes in by itself.

    It also seems that if one uses the "Kg Force Metres" conversion to ft-lbs, and rounds off the numbers, they come out same as the "daNm" conversion to ft-lbs.
     

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