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Fuel Line rupture. Aftermarket alternatives?

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  1. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
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    Oregon
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    Sean
    Fuel line from the the delivery block to the left side flute was rubbing on a clamp for the coolant hose and ruptured spraying fuel everywhere. Lucky, no fire before it was discovered. Price looks to be over $300. Anyone have alternatives?
     
  2. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I believe there is a recall on that--Ferrari should fix it free of charge---They will reroute the clamp and make sure it is safe....
     
  3. Monteman

    Monteman Formula 3
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    Robbie is correct. They did it on my car for free.
     
  4. saw1998

    saw1998 F1 Veteran

    Jun 8, 2008
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    Go buy a lottery ticket. You are one very, very lucky individual. I thought every F355 owner received a recall notice from FNA. I did.
     
  5. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    #5 gus355, Oct 9, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2011
    I still cannot believe that this company let a thing like that go unnoticed... we were discussing this the other day and if someone were to home-build a car with fuel lines like that, there is a good chance it would not pass tech inspection if it was spotted - the fuel lines are not even secured - not only that, even if I were to build it, that line would probably be a hard-line with a much shorter flexible line to the motor.

    Great car - it's the little things that all add up that suck.

    And to the OP, you are a very lucky man - my car also developed a leak and (for once) I was actually scared...
     
  6. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
    573
    Oregon
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    Sean
    Is the recall very specific to this fuel line rubbing on the coolant hose clamp? I don't want to tow the car over there just to have them say sorry, it doesn't fit the criteria etc. BTW, it was very lucky. I think it was leaking heavily for about 20 miles. Scary!
     
  7. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    You can look up the recall and see if it applies to your serial# - you could also patch it if you know what you are doing using a few different fittings from earls or russell (either a hose end union or a couple hose ends and an A/N union) - as already mentioned, I would build it differently but I did not want to alter the factory "look" of the car.

    NOTICE I SAID "IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING"

    I already figured out that I could easily re-tap or even weld fittings to the fuel block, then use A/N fittings and hose ends and a combination of hard line and braided SS hose to make a bulletproof fuel system - and it would cost a fraction of what OEM stuff costs.

    Problem is it would no longer look "factory" so maybe in 15 years I will do it, who knows...

    I would say call the dealer (call a few since you might get the "wrong" answer) and ask if your car is covered, if it is you will get the hose and the fuel block kit/clamps)

    There are two recalls and the second one states that if the first recall was not done and the car is elegible, then the first one will be done too.

    BTW, it sounds like maybe the hose that you had go wrong is not the one in the recall? IIRC the hose in the recall is the short one from left side of block (at front of block) to fuel rail.

    You can also see if ron tompkins is sitting on one, they gave me a wicked deal on a few in-stock parts.

    AGAIN - you are VERRRY lucky man!
     
  8. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
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    I did have this engine out all by myself 2 years ago. That being said, the problem could be solved by relacing the line and rotating the coolant clamp 90 degrees for more clearance. I will call the dealer with the VIN tomorrow and get details.
     
  9. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    Has your car had the recall done?

    The recall changes the fuel block on the engine so that the fuel lines angle a bit differently and also consists of a bunch of plastic hose seperators that prevent the hoses rubbing and secure them (again - I cannot believe that they did not do this from the start)

    You can also look up the vin on ricambi's site (download the PDF and check your VIN)

    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=343568

    I actually decided to bite the bullet and buy the kit and do it myself since I am sick of the Canadian dealer's BS - since my car is originally a U.S. car, they call it grey market - I guess they figure if the car blows up and I die - then at least I won't be around to sue them...
     
  10. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
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    I called the dealer. Recall has not been done. But what they wouldn't tell me over the phone is if this would be covered. I don't feel comfortable paying $250 to tow the car over there without knowing if they plan to empty my pockets in the process or cover it under recall. I'm not one to ever take cars into shops.

    I don't believe FNA has current owner information on the car, therefore never received the recall notice.
     
  11. mpodgor

    mpodgor Formula Junior

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    #11 mpodgor, Oct 10, 2011
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    I have always had this fear of my 355 going up in a ball of flame. I'm installing a Fire extinguishing unit ASAP! And it will serve as a wheel chalk if needed!
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  12. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    The serial numbers are listed in the recall notice PDF on ricambi's site, if your car is within those #s then you are covered, just ask them simply if the job will be free if the car is in the range of #s.

    They do get paid quite well to do the job, they should be more than willing to do it free.
     
  13. mwhitesell

    mwhitesell Formula 3

    Sep 17, 2006
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    +1

    I thought I was about to see a thread about a half burned up 355.
     
  14. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    I have a fire extinguisher in every car I own. I am thinking I need 2 in the 355.
     
  15. FerrariDeeJay

    FerrariDeeJay Formula Junior

    Jun 2, 2009
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    Car should be covered under the recall. Don't let them charge you for anything. If the dealer gives you problems, like the dealership I took mine to, then call FNA and file a complaint. FNA contacted the dealership and gave them the authorization to replace my damaged fuel line. The dealership wanted to charge me $200 to replace it. I told them to go to hell and so FNA intervened. Why should anyone have to pay for a fuel line when that was what the recall was all about in the first place!!!
     
  16. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I would call FNA BEFORE you tow it in, and tell them exactly what was said during your conversation with RTGT.

    Ask FNA if this should be covered free of charge, and ask if RTGT not disclosing whether or not they will charge you is acceptable. Then call RTGT back and tell them that you called FNA and tell RTGT what FNA said.
     
  17. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

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    Great idea. Have the number?
     
  18. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
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    #18 2NA, Oct 11, 2011
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    This is the recall kit and document from Ferrari.

    Yours is the only car I've heard of that actually developed a leak. The recall would have been unnecessary if the hose clamps were put on carefully.

    You are quite lucky that there wasn't a fire. In a case where burning fuel is spraying from a high pressure line such as the ones on the 355, it is doubtful whether a hand-held extinguisher would get the job done.
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  19. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    Just a thought here...

    Calling FNA before giving the dealership an honest attempt to work through the issue and ensure YOU are a happy customer, is kind of like burning a bridge before you cross it. Yes, you might get FNA to mandate a fix on your car, and yes, the dealer will probably do it. But the next time you need help, service, or a favor, they might be all used up.

    I have no personal information on how your dealer or FNA works in these situations. But it just seems to reason that immediately going over the dealership might not be a solid long-term play. I used to hate it when my customers in software bypassed me (their account manager) and went directly to the owner of the company. It was a slap in the face, and made me far less willing to help them in the future -- and when I did, it was begrudgingly.

    Having said all that.... I do have the fuel line recall kits in stock. ;)
     
  20. Saint Bastage

    Saint Bastage F1 Rookie

    Jun 1, 2007
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    Daniel...see post #10.

    I understand tashiers concern about springing for an expensive tow only to be told its not covered as opposed to just buying the kit directly and doing it myself. Seems the dealership should be stepping up here understanding that a "worst case scenario" has been narrowly averted.
     
  21. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
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    I didn't really have any intention of ruffling RTGT's feathers, only getting an answer straight from FNA on coverage of this repair. I mean we're talking 5 minutes labor on a fuel line that would be disconnected anyways during the recall repair. I would not have had FNA direct RTGT to do the repair or even contact them. RTGT was very nice and helpful on the phone up to the point of actually stating it would be covered completely. They stated doing a report and pictures and sending them to FNA to be approved. Understandable, however, it would just seem easy enough to say they'd replace the simple fuel line while doing the recall. But to tow the car over, get charged for the tow, and possibly charged for the $309 fuel line and labor etc. I'd rather have just ordered the fuel line and recall kit and installed it in my own garage. That's where I'm at...
     
  22. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
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    Quite true if the fuel continued to spray from the rupture, however, I'm assuming most people would shut the key off in a situation like this shutting off the fuel pump. Only then would you have a good chance of putting out the fire. Once upon a time I had a VW Scirocco catch fire with a bad fuel pump. Not having an extinguisher on hand I ran to a local apt. building and quickly commandeered an extinguisher which doused the fire pretty quickly. The damage was very minimal and I was able to have the car up and running the next day with no visible fire damage. So, yes, I would highly recommend an extinguisher in every 355. Just remember to shut the key off before you try dousing the flames!
     
  23. tashier

    tashier Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2008
    573
    Oregon
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    Sean
    I went ahead and talked to FNA. Without any question he stated that this would absolutely be covered 100%. He was extremely helpful and got the VIN registration updated. He also stated there was additional information coming out soon regarding this. He said he would handle coordinating coverage with the dealership and if I had any questions to call him. Also gave me his direct #. I couldn't have asked for better service! Props to FNA

    Again, I'm not saying RTGT did anything wrong, quite the contrary. They were friendly and explained everything that needed to be done. I was only looking for confirmation of coverage before committing to a tow truck. I feel confident if I get the car over it will be taken care of.
     
  24. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    Maybe this is the route I should have gone, I wonder now what FNA would have to say about the "grey market" issue.

    In the end since I am the type who likes to do my own work on my own car so the $150 and my time is not the end of the world.
     
  25. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    You can chalk mine up as one with a leak too.
     

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