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Fuel sock removal

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  1. Scottc

    Scottc Karting

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    Does anyone know what size socket I need to remove the fuel sock? 22mm was too small..

    Thanks

    Scott
     
  2. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    You NEED TWO Wrenches or Wrench and Socket, don't forget.

    Using just one 'lever' to remove that will likely really SCREW STUFF UP.


    Why do you want to remove it?
     
  3. mike32

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    What on earth is a fuel sock ?
     
  4. waymar

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    Fuel screen in the fuel tank.
     
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  5. Scottc

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    I haven't been as vigilant as I should have been as far as stabilizing the gas tank over the last several years and definitely have a fuel issue. I noticed when I was replacing the fuel filter element that when I removed the tube from the nipple at the bottom of the gas tank it barely dribbled out in spite of a full tank so I guessing I have solidified ethanol that has dropped to the bottom? What is the procedure to remove please?

    Thanks

    Scott
     
  6. ferrariowner

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    First I would try replacing the fuel sock. If that's not the only issue and the tank is full of crap, I would pull both tanks and clean out the transfer pipe as well. Yes, its a real pain.
     
  7. Scottc

    Scottc Karting

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    ok but apparent the removal isnt as easy as just using a tall 27mm socket and unscrewing to remove?
     
  8. Scottc

    Scottc Karting

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    '79 Carburetor what I have
     
  9. Scottc

    Scottc Karting

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    Gruesse Mark aus Bayern-

    So this is what I thought I was removing (attached). Just trying to understand why I can't just use a socket and turn counter clockwise? That being said, I tried using 12 point wrench and couldnt get it free last weekend so I am guessing I am missing something here?
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  10. smg2

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    That part is a major PITA to remove. It's damn near welded in place. Doesn't help that the tanks are aluminum and can be damaged if too much tq is needed.
    One tank I had to remove from the vehicle, flush and vent... Then use heat to get it to come free.. real PITA that one. The other couple times I needed to shock it free, impact gun.
    None of the ones I've removed have had in intack filter.

    My best guess is that over the the fuel has varnished in the threads since it seals with a copper washer... Esp after 30yrs...

    It's a bugger of a job, but if you're dealing with crap in the tank... Drop both tanks, replace all lines, flush and check for corrosion and cracks. Saddle tanks in the engine bay are begging for a fire... Let's not give it the opportunity.
     
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  11. mike32

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    Time i got English to American dictionary then. Why on earth would you call a filter a sock. It will be changing the engine oil sock then .
     
  12. Scottc

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    Mike-Its only fair...I needed an English to American dictionary to read the owners manual for my Aston Martin DB7...One of the temperature settings was A.C....what you think that stood for?? Air Conditioning? Of course not "Auto Control" which I think is Climate Control
     
  13. mike32

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    Who uses air con in the uk, raining most of the time.
     
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  14. Scottc

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    Still not 100% clear how to remove this but presuming I do I noticed there are 2 metal washers under the 27mm nut securing this thing to the tank. How does this thing seal and stop gas from coming out? Guessing there are no rubber o-rings?
     
  15. smg2

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    Nope, just a metal sealing crush washer.. Copper.

    Worst case you'll have to drop the tank out, drain, flush and vent!... Then heat the area with a heat gun... Then remove. The fuel tends to varnish up in the threads over time...amber sap.
     
  16. Scottc

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    Special Thanks to Mark (mwr440)...Even the guy at T Rutland didnt pick this up. Take a look at the GT4 pic attached and you can see the second hex Mark warned me about!!!!

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    Good to meet you. I am an American living in Germany. My 'home' in America is in the Denver areas as my Parents and sibling live there. I have an '81, 308 GTSi. I do 80% of the work myself but I'm NO EXPERT. LEARN WHO the REAL EXPERTS Here are. That will save you TONS of Time, Money and Grief.

    That said,

    FIRST:

    WHY do you want to remove it?


    SECOND: The HOW.

    The tanks are made from very soft aluminum for accident safety reasons (bends, doesn't break) and that bolt/fuel-pipe w/sock is in there TIGHT.

    Look closely and you’ll see another Hex bolt welded to the tank. The pipe with sock slips thru and threads into it. Use TWO Wrenches and wrench the fuel-sock bolt against that fixed Hex. Apply the pressure ONLY ON the Hex welded to the tank. NOT the tank itself.

    If you just put a single wrench on the Fuel-Pipe/Sock and apply pressure (you'll likely need alot) or 'apply' a couple of hard wacks with a hammer to loosen it, you'll very likely dent or twist your gas tank Out of Shape.

    DO NOT DO THAT.

    Use 2 Wrenches on the 2 Hexes AGAINST each other, thus putting ZERO Stress on the tank itself.

    This is a MUST DO.

    Clear as Mud?

    Mark


    P.S. You MUST USE this same 2-Wrench procedure in MANY AREAS of these cars, oil coolers, metalic fuel lines, etc, the list goes on and on. If you don't I promise you WILL $PEND Hundreds or Thousands to repair/replace something(s) YOU should have NEVER Broken in the first place.

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  17. mauriciocaste

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    Mark is right. When I removed mine of my 77GTB I used an adjustable spanner and a socket but first I put some penetrating oil overnight. Filter was intact and clean. I assume you already drained the gas.
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  18. Scottc

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    T Rutland told me crush washer dimensions were 26m ID, 37mm OD and 1.5mm
     
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