Future value for CS/Scud

I don't think the Speciale will ever go that low and will be pretty stable where it's at now, then in a few years climb up.

But I hope I'm wrong, I'll snag one if they get under $200K for sure.

 

IMO it isn't a trend, it is a rule. Therefore yes, also the Speciale will fall in price. The world of Ferrari will rotate a few times in the same manner as it has always been.

Have a look on all the 458 Italia's on the market, prices fall and fall. The outcry against the change to turbo was great and nevertheless the Italia is now coming on the market. I'm sure the same will happen with the Speciale.

Think about two main drivers talking against the price stability of the Speciale, first the people will realize more and more that the Speciale is much closer to the Italia than the CS was to the Modena and the Scuderia was to the F430. Second the 488 "Scuderia" will set absolute new benchmarks in performance capabilities. We will not talk about a marginal difference like between a Scuderia and a Speciale.

There still remains the question of "the last mid engine V8-NA" and therefore the price will stay high? Forget it. Drive a turbo and you will know the answer.

What will be in 20 years? It may be that everything will turn. Then we will talking about a real generation change, the disappearance of the internal combustion engine. Then it will depend on what the legislature will do. I guess then the last modern free combustion engines (bi-turbos) will retain their value, not the outdated NA cars.

Of course, these are only my two cents...

 

huen all internal combustion engines were banned on da hroad, all of my cars will be track only ...

sad even huen thinking about it.

 

The Scud and Speciale already when down in value a year ago now it going up in value there going to be inline with the F40 and Enzo down the road, I remember you could of got ether one for 400k at one time, there asking 2 million for a F40 and 2.5 million for a Enzo Today

 

Sorry the CS and the 360 weren't that far apart. I had both, drove both for several thousand miles and can speak with a fair amount of authority on the subject. Lighter and better sound YES, but miles different? Nope.

There WAS quite a bit more difference between the 430 and the SCUD. Same with the Speciale and the Italia, so sorry, I think the belief that the Speciale will fall off in price along the lines of the Italia is extremely wishful thinking. Matter of fact with the introduction of the 488 GTB and Spyder this should ALREADY HAPPENED. It didn't. Specials are selling at 380 - 400 K today which is where they were a year ago. They may stay at this level for 4 to 5 years but the Speciale is destined to be a half million dollar car in the future.

As to the reasoning that the turbo will somehow become the "car of the future" with the poor NA car becoming an outdated relic, well, we shall see won't we. I wouldn't bet the farm on it though.

 

I just bought a new Speciale. Arrives next Friday. 127km on the clock. I had to pay about 60,000euro over retail price to get this car. And still you can get them a tad higher even used.

 

I'm a Scud owner, very very happy with it!
I can find a Rosso Corsa CS with stripe and 19k or less for 220k.

 

There is no crystal ball to foresee future values. Look at the market for MT 430s.

Any special edition like a CS, Scuderia, Speciale, 16M will ALWAYS command more money than their ordinary counterparts. Duh.

 

Texas must be a very expensive place to live.
In Switzerland we have at the moment 10 Specials on the web, the cheapest one for 275k. And after the rally in autumn 2015 the prices are decreasing...
And don't forget, the 488 "Scuderia" is not on the market yet.

As a Scuderia owner I hope you are right and the prices will increase for all these beautiful NA special editions. But to be honest, I don't believe it, at the very end there were just too many of them produced. And they are not nearly as special as for example a F40, F50 or an Enzo.

And the market is not sleeping! Have a look at all the new beautiful cars available on the market. The range of interesting offers is getting wider and wider.
For example; why should I pay for a Scuderia more than for a brand new McLaren 570S? This is stupid! Why should I pay for a Speciale more than for a 488 "Scuderia"? This will be the same nonsense. Except if I am a speculator.

ok, the classic car market has its own laws and also the trend to invest like crazy in movables is difficult to predict. But in my average and worst case consideration the CS and Scuderia prices will not continue to rise and the Speciale price will fall.

 

The 360 Modena actually has very different driving characteristics compared to the CS but only if your trying hard enough to invoke a response from the chassis. Power and acoustically (and even weight) really depends ultimately on the options ticked for each respective car and also the market its destined for (emissions and power wise).

You can get weight reduced significantly on the base Modena if the car had all the options like Racing exhaust, carbon seats, carbon engine bay and airboxes, etc. ticked so its sometimes difficult to compare like for like (even if you've owned both a Modena and a CS).

The CS has better stopping and cornering forces from wider tires and bigger brakes. Its suspension setup and aero aids and re-calibrated suspension/abs computers. The fact that the CS stretches out a lead of 2.5 seconds on a short circuit such as Fiorano (less than 2 miles). is testament to this. Your never going to get massive power differences since that completely misses the point of what this car was all about. Relatively little in the way of computer intervention, just you and the car. Today still a fantastic challenge on the right track or road to use to drive a clean fast lap.

 

I live in Italy and i had the possibility to know exactly from a very important Source the numbers of productions of the three models, and please TRUST ME : CS 1200, SCUD 1700 ( without the 16 m ) Speciale over 2500 ( without the Aperta ) . From these Numbers is easy to see that the cs is the most rare one and the speciale the less one, in another hand the most exciting one is the Scud and was a car made also in cooperation with Schumi ( and this in the future will be an important factor for sure ) , Speciale is the last N/A high perf engine of the three..... so at the end in my opinion in 10 years from Now they will have all the same values , probably all around 700 k ( speaking of cars with less than 20000 miles ) . This is my opinion but i think the thrue it will not be very distant from my bet.

 

Is 2500 a little high for total Speciale (w/out SA) production in the world? We did an informal poll last year of total Speciale production in the US based on allocations from US dealerships, and we came up way less than 2000 (based on 25-30% US allocations).


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Do you mean CS/Scud won't rise in value in the short term, or ever? I think it's pretty clear that all Ferraris appreciate over time once they've bottomed. It's all a matter of how much they will appreciate. Ferraris are always popular and, on a relative basis, are made in small numbers.

Personally, I think that the CS/ Scud will have a significant rise over time for the unique driving experiences they provide. Natural aspiration, weight at or below 3000 lbs, single-clutch transmissions, etc. These cars aren't old, but they already don't make them like that anymore.

Of course, this is all speculation. No one knows what the future holds.

 

2500 worldwide

 

I guess during the next five till ten years CS and Scud will stay, more ore less, stable on its actual price level. I hope I'm wrong.

But if I have a look on the current offers on the web there has never been so many offers (17 Scud and 2 M16) and the prices are significantly decreasing (in the average) compared to the rally we had six months ago, only the M16 stays high.

Yes, Ferraris are always popular, but we shouldn't forget, Ferrari is producing every year more than 7000 cars, the offering in the used market is growing every single year.

 

Daniel,

I agree with you but once Ferrari took the V8 platform to turbo, the track version NA models like the CS, Scud and Speciale became the "last" of a breed and generation never to return again. NA with KERS or some other hybrid perhaps but not pure NA engines. I just can't see the sound and performance of these models not commanding a premium in the years moving forward. I know it's only my humble opinion but I think the Scud could become one of the most popular V8's in modern Ferrari history based on its emotional connection with the driver, the relatively small number produced and the fact that Schumacher helped design the car. I am very happy that I have one.

 

+1

 

+Scud!

Well written Rod! I guess we both know how great this car is, one is for sure, my Scud will never find the way to the used market.

But we have to accept, the used market is getting bigger and bigger, even more great cars will be added. How will decide people in ten years, when they can choose between CS, Scud, 458 Italia, Speciale, 488 GTB, 488 Scud, 488 Successor Scud...?

 

they will choose only between the N/A , we must not forget that for the 80% the F market has rised in value because of the arrival of Turbo engines

 

Bottom line. There is always going to be a demand for "special" edition cars regardless the production year. Of course there are going to be future "special" edition cars as well but they will never have the same appeal or driving experience as the old ones. That's a fact. I'm not saying that they are better or worse. Being honest and very subjective here. In all fairness, newer "special" edition cars might also become more popular or appreciate more over time compared to older ones. We don't have the answer to that. Only time will tell.

 

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Amen to that!
Glad me and my brother have one!

 

The market for these cars may be relaxing, but this is true for all collector cars. It appears that the market is taking a breather. Just like the stock market, prices typically don't just go straight up. In the stock market, prices tend to drop before the next leg up. This is especially true when prices soar, as both the stock and car markets have in recent years. Keep in mind also that it has been a little rocky in the stock market due to global economic concerns. I think the car market is reacting to this.

It is true that Ferrari is producing more cars now, but they're not producing any more CSs or Scuds. So, this market is fixed. Regardless, as long as demand outstrips supply, prices will climb. You mentioned the F40. They made over 1300 of those. Not a tiny number, but not a large one either. Of course, not equating the CS/Scud with an F40. Just raise the F40 re: production numbers.

Anyway, I hope you're wrong too!

 

I would buy a Speciale at 275K right now if I were you. The cheapest Speciale in the US right now is 375K for a poorly optioned one. Most are over 400K

BTW people pay MORE for a CS than they do a SCUD. Using your logic that cannot be, yet it is.

 

For $275k, I will buy one also. March of last year, you can buy a Speciale on for 300-330k.
That's why my SCUD will stay with me. I have recently been offered by a Ferrari dealership for $200000 for mine, sight unseen.

I would wait for a few more years.