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FYI 1998 v. 2006 Parts Price Comparison

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by laguna mondial, Aug 8, 2006.

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  1. laguna mondial

    Aug 2, 2006
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    pn 104108 tensioner spring: then $1.27 - now $26.00 (46% CAGR)

    pn 111334 cam belt: then $16.15 - now $27.50 (7% CAGR)

    pn 105206 oem idler bearing: then $103.77 - now $170.34 (6% CAGR)

    pn 10263460 washer: then $.64 - now $2.66 (19% CAGR)

    valve cover gasket kit: then $42.50 - now $167.50 (19% CAGR)

    * cagr: compound annual growth rate

    Excuses ? "inflation, raw material prices, exchange rates, ferrari price increases, supplier changes" - blah, blah, blah. Most prices track cpi+ why not Ferrari? Bottom line - currently have a 360 and Mondial 3.2 but will likely exit this marque.
     
  2. Simon^2

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    Interesting first post. welcome.

    Luckily, for the examples you gave, the only one with a large curve that wasn't a $1 part before is the valve gasket kit.

    Be interesting to see how it compares to GM... Toyota... BMW... I suspect it would be similar.
     
  3. Ricambi America

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    I don't know where you got those prices, but they're not reflective of what we have at Ricambi. See my notes in italics.

    pn 104108 tensioner spring: then $1.27 - now $26.00 (46% CAGR) ** not a valid part number **

    pn 111334 cam belt: then $16.15 - now $27.50 (7% CAGR). Actually, they're $22 or less, depending on the reseller

    pn 105206 oem idler bearing: then $103.77 - now $170.34 (6% CAGR) $155 or less, depending on the reseller. The SKF alternative is about $65

    pn 10263460 washer: then $.64 - now $2.66 (19% CAGR) We have them for $1.22

    valve cover gasket kit: then $42.50 - now $167.50 (19% CAGR) What car?? on a 360, the set of VC gaskets is $72.00
     
  4. hackrider

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    I just bought a QV valve cover gasket kit from GT parts in Phoenix for $43 +shipping

    Dave
     
  5. LetsJet

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    dealer pricing?
     
  6. Rifledriver

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    Ferrari does not sell V.C. gaskets in a "kit" so these are not from FNA. Besides FNA determines a retail price that the dealers can accept or reject at their pleasure. Not all charge the same prices.

    Ferrari rightly or wrongly does as most industries do, they charge whatever the market will bear. It is hard to tell them they are wrong when people willingly go on a list several years long to get a car. I happen to believe the prices for parts are too high and $3.25 for a gallon of gas, and $500k for a starter home in this area but evidently I am out of touch because people are lined up to buy all 3 at current prices. If parts prices were really too high the market for used Ferrari's will have crashed (it has not) and my phone will have stopped ringing (it has not).
     
  7. No Doubt

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    You are supposed to exit this Marque. That's by design. Page 14 of Prancing Horse #159 clearly shows that Ferrari wants to push middle class owners out, concentrating solely on upper class enthusiasts.

    This plan dovetails nicely with past performance, anyway, as the Market has always returned Ferraris to their proper owners after a given amount of time (doing both the buyer and seller a favor at the same time).

    Or you can think about it this way: Ferrari is operating such that everyone will be happy...both those in the group that leave Ferrari as well as those who are so enthusiastic about the Marque as to stay with Ferrari no matter what. Enthusiasts are, well, enthusiastic about their desires, after all.

    It's win-win.

    You'll see a more fanatical Ferrari ownership fan-base overall as time passes, and you'll see all of the marginal owners leave...and both groups will be thrilled with their decisions.
     
  8. 208 GT4

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    I heard back in January that Ferrari were upping their prices for a lot of old parts, especially the ones that are difficult to make aftermarket.

    But at least Ferrari are still making parts for their 20+ year old models...How many other manufacturers are doing that?
     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Mercedes Benz does and they charge dearly. You should see some prices for 300 SL parts
     
  10. PSP

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    ...but you'd have to agree that Ferrari parts prices can accelerate at unbelievable rates.

    I recently asked you about the price for the mirror rubber pieces for an 88TR. The right side was $48 while the left side was $145.

    Identical piece but 3X the price.
     
  11. BigTex

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    Some excellent DEEP thinking in here, keep it up guys...
     
  12. BigTex

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    LH and RH are not identical at all....

    Cars are expensive, all stuff is getting expensive........
     
  13. PSP

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    OK, they aren't identical, but they are mirror images of each other, therefore essentially the same. Why is one 3X the price of the other?
     
  14. speedmoore

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    The only reason the prices went up were to pay for cousin Luigi's time to change all the freak'n part no's again.

    Seriously, the part no. system is all screwed up now and it would not surprize me at all if Ferrari factory as well as FNA has had to raise prices just to cover their new overhead trying to figure out what is what and what is where.
     
  15. MaleficVTwin

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    I work for a GM dealer in the parts department. Parts are expensive no matter what it is. Shocks for Tahoe's are over $300 apiece if it has electronic suspension. $900 factory radios. $700 wheels. Each! So far none of the parts prices for 348's that I have looked at have shocked me. It isn't just Ferrari.
     
  16. laguna mondial

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    Thanks for the surprisingly prompt - and varied - responses. To clear things up a bit: I have own/owned many exotics, primarily ferrari, jag and mb of mostly 1960s vintage. I have been lucky and can afford these cars and their maintainance. As I have the requisite mechanical bent and enjoy the activity, I can and have repaired/replaced nearly every part of many engs. A major service on a 3.2 is certainly on the fun and easy end of the spectrum.

    In comparison to ferrari, jag and mb parts prices are reasonable and have remained stable (on an inflation adjusted basis). recent exs: mb 280se wire set $110, oil filter $8, spark plug $2.50 - all oe prices. 66' XKE 4.2 SU needle/seat $9.00. Even Texstar front pads for my mb daily driver are just $65!

    Jack: numbers are from my 1988 factory spare parts catalog. tensioner spring: pg. 8, ref 25, pn 104148. I last purchased them from maranello/rutlands for $1.27 - new price is $26. Miller Motors is $59. I hope you have them. Thanks for the other pricing, I will call.

    Hackrider: thanks for the gasket info

    Letsjet: not dealer pricing, but US parts houses

    Rifledriver: This is the point. In my opinion if I feel I am being gouged by a marque, then I can easily move on to another. I certainly wont purchase their new - or older - models. (Or a porshce for this exact reason - anybody looking for a mint 88' 9K mi 328?). PS for those who own late production ferraris, real-dollar prices have crashed.

    NoDoubt: see openinig afordability comments. as a well-heeld car-guy recently told me "its just a car"

    Bigtex: All stuff is not getting expensive in real-terms (just nominal). In fact nearly all industrial prices are rapidly decreasing. In my opinion, FNA is damaging the marque by artifically inflating prices for production cars. There is a big-big value difference between a pre 1970 investment grade and post 1970 high run production fcar. The former can support higher part prices, the latter cannot.

    In all seriousness, my hope was simply to point out that f-prices are more than excessive (and by the way, quite inconssistant across vendors). going in, my hope was to single-source 50 or so parts and settle into a fun summer evening project with my young son. Not surf the net. Thanks again for all the input - and pass along any good parts sources.
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    I agree we are being gouged when we consider what the quality is and what the cost to manufacture is but we are both leaving out a few pieces of the puzzle that our econ teachers would chastise us for. Ferrari parts prices are a case of " if you don't like it go get it from the otherguy". With Jag, MB and just about every other car there are many sources to get parts, quality parts. As good or better that OE. Not Ferrari, not for later model as you were referring and we all know why. It is not worth it to tool up for such a small market. So Ferrari just applies the age old principle of charging all the market will bear. FNA is the most guility of it and so all the other importers of parts (only a handfull really) charge just enough less to make doing business with them worthwhile. In any other business it would be called good business but because we are talking about peoples toys they are called thieves.

    Every month I see another long time Ferrari owner call it quits and I don't blame them, but the reality is still for every 1 that leaves the fold, 2 are waiting in line.

    If you want a real eye opener price an ignition sw for a 308 or the little bootie that covers the base of the top pin for a 308/328 GTS top.
     
  18. No Doubt

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    Laguna, "Affordability" is a function of your level of enthusiasm multiplied by your level of wealth.

    You can be very wealthy, but if you have no enthusiasm then spending the money isn't worth it to you...thus, something that you don't care about becomes unaffordable by default.

    The other side of the coin is that if you are very enthusiastic, say, doing your own Major Service or even fabricating your own parts (don't laugh, we've got threads here on Fchat with fchatters fabricating their own bushings, reverse-engineering the 348 A/C controller, making their own steering wheel turn signal lever-switches, fabricating their own carbon-fiber bumpers, rebuilding their own shocks, et al), then you can "afford" a high-maintenance, high-parts-price Marque with only modest financial means.

    My point to you is that if you think that Ferrari parts aren't worth it, then you are, by design, supposed to leave the Marque (and be happy about so doing). Ferrari is deliberately pushing out marginal owners...and "marginal" can mean financial or enthusiasm.

    Ferraris are trophy wives. Not everyone will think that such performance art is worth the effort/cost, and those are the people who are being...mmm...driven...out by design.

    The path that Ferrari is choosing will result in fanatics for the Marque staying, everyone else leaving, and both groups being happy about their decision.
     
  19. Valence

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    Which bootie piece are you referrring to?
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  20. f355spider

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    I think Brian is speaking of the little rubber sleeve that slips around the base of the rubber targa top pin. Didn't know you could get them seperately.

    Check the price of a window switch for a 355! $200!
     
  21. Rifledriver

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    DING DING DING. He is correct. It looks a little like a coil tower boot and it is in the neighborhood of $84
     
  22. andrewg

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    Are these prices from dealers in the US........as we all know Ferrari UK have pretty much all the remaining factory spares for cars made up to and including the 3.2 Mondials and 328's, with a few exceptions the prices aren't too far off what Porsche charge for comparable 911 bits.

    If your getting charged too much by your local Ferrari dealer give Ferrari UK or one of the parts specialists a call :)
     
  23. f355spider

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    Holy sh*t! I would waste many an hour figuring out a suitable material to make a reproduction from...maybe using some sort of heatshrink tubing....
     

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