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gaddafi 430 seized in germany

Discussion in '360/430' started by tonyh, Jan 2, 2008.

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  2. BradM360

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    Quite scary... I think this could happen to all of us driving 430... the stock exhaust is so loud.....

    Anybody knows how many dB's with full rev's??
     
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  4. tonyh

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    i think you're reading too much into it personally - this could be anyone's car stopped for the same reason
     
  5. Trax

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    No doubt it's just because Porsche keep complaining in German press about how Ferrari and Lamborghini ignore all the noise rules

    Isn't the noise curve on the 430 designed specifically to get round one of the German/EU sound tests where is measures the maximum level after xx m?
     
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  7. PCH

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    I believe your preaching to the wrong choir.
     
  8. amenasce

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    Well, i dont know which of his sons , but one of them ( or maybe all of them ? ) always make the headlines in the europress for behaving like rock stars on coke in public and ignoring the laws. Last year one of them was running away from the paris police in a Lambo or Ferrari...

    If the exhaust is stock in the F430 , he shouldnt have any problem though.
     
  9. SrfCity

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    He must have modified the exhaust in some way. The stock exhaust is fine when the valves are closed and it's easy to close them when you choose to do it by taking it easy. Either he had the valves permanently open, modified exhaust or he's just an idiot and deserves what the got.
     
  10. RichardCH

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    It does happen, one of the guys inthe office in Zürich has an EVO 8, the police seized it at the traffic lights one morning on his way to work and told him to get the bus
     
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  12. 993 911

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    He would have gotten a thumbs-up had he been in a CGT!
     
  13. Finitele

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    Did you read the article? The third sentence says

    "Officers claimed that they recorded 110.5 decibels from the sports car's exhaust system instead of the permitted 98 decibels. "
     
  14. 05F430F1

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    he didnt ask where his was recorded at, he asked what 430 is a full rev....
     
  15. PCH

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    I don't believe that answered his question.
     
  16. RichardCH

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    Well basically all F430s are technically illegal noise wise and why do you think the Challenge Stradale is banned from virtually every public track day on any circuit around Europe, please read "the last of the truly great ferraris post"
     
  17. Challenge64

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    He must have really got some sorta crazy exhaust.

    I replaced my 355 exhaust with a TUV approved sport auspuff. It is loud and its approved.
     
  18. Artherd

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    Different country, different car, different exhaust, different circumstances. Exactly how is this relevant?

    In all fairness, it seems he was warned before, and he can get the car back if he pays the nominal fine and takes the corrective actions. What is the big deal?
     
  19. Challenge64

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    Same country, same city, same laws, and same manufacturer.

    My 355 is in Munich and I bet your prematurely jumping to the conclusion I'm talking about a car in Arizona.

    I thought by writing "TUV approved sport auspuff" would be the dead giveaway.
     
  20. Artherd

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    Yes, I saw AZ listed in your profile. I still don't see how a different exhaust system, on a completely different model, is even remotely relevant, even if you are running the car in the same country? Or are you saying that their exhaust system for the 355 is identical in design and performance to the one on the 430 and therefore should be within the allowable noise levels, since yours is??
     
  21. Challenge64

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    I dont understand your comments.....

    There are alot of laws in Germany about noise. It doesnt take much to see that a stock Ferrari is too quiet for most. (stock being either F355 or 430....take your pick). It also then means alot of Ferrari owners in Germany..or Munich ...replace their exhausts on their Ferraris. Well there are 2 types. the "TUV approved" kind and then all the others. My "TUV approved sportauspuff"..which is loud and sounds great ..hence thats why I wrote that.

    soooo...my short post was just saying "He must have really got some sorta crazy exhaust."

    If that guys wants to tool around Munich with Straight pipes or whatever he has..great...now we see what happens. Maybe next time he should try a "TUV approved sportauspuff" next time...whew...any more questions?
     
  22. 05F430F1

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    Ive never heard a 355 with suped up exhaust that is even near as loud as a stock 430...HUGE DIFFERENCE. buddy has a tubi on his 355 and it is like a toyota next to the stock 430 no matter how hard he revs it.
     
  23. Artherd

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    Somebody had their 430 confiscated because the exhaust was too loud.

    You posted that you have a different car, with some aftermarket exhaust, and you have not had any problems. I took that to mean that you thought your experience implied that the other owner's experience should have been the same.

    Clearly, what your car (a different model, known to be much quieter) does with a TUV-certified exhaust is hardly going to be representative of the noise made by the other car with the unknown exhaust. Regardless of what stamp it did or did not have, it was too loud, according to the authorities.

    After reading other people's comments on how loud these cars are even when stock and German attitudes towards Italian cars and Ferrari's noise certification techniques, I am not sure I agree with you that it must be "some sorta crazy" exhaust. Could be a bunch of things.
     
  24. Challenge64

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    Never heard a 355 w/ suped up exhaust next to a 430. Could be louder..dont know. Point is if you want to make alot of noise cruising around Germany with an aftermarket exhaust...make sure to get a exhaust allowed by TUV. Then you wont get it towed/seized..ect.
     
  25. BradM360

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    Totally agreed! I had a 360 Spider with Tubi, and it is so much quieter than my stock 430 Spider.

    And my point asking the dB's in full revs was that usually manufactures knows their ways around these noise qualification processes, so getting the car approved is one thing but with all opening valves etc. the noice must be much more!!

    I know guy who has had 7 tickets already in Helsinki for being too loud with his 430!

    I don't know if this is true, but a salesperson in Gohm Ferrari in Singen told the -05 is louder than newer models, they had to tone it down because of this...

    So anyone knows the answer, how loud is our 430's???
     

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