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  1. 3604u

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/25/galaxy.planets.kepler/index.html

    CNN) -- As NASA prepares to hunt for Earth-like planets in our corner of the Milky Way galaxy, there's new buzz that "Star Trek's" vision of a universe full of life may not be that far-fetched.


    An artist's impression shows a planet passing in front of its parent star. Such events are called transits.

    Pointy-eared aliens traveling at light speed are staying firmly in science fiction, but scientists are offering fresh insights into the possible existence of inhabited worlds and intelligent civilizations in space.

    There may be 100 billion Earth-like planets in the Milky Way, or one for every sun-type star in the galaxy, said Alan Boss, an astronomer with the Carnegie Institution and author of the new book "The Crowded Universe: The Search for Living Planets."

    He made the prediction based on the number of "super-Earths" -- planets several times the mass of the Earth, but smaller than gas giants like Jupiter -- discovered so far circling stars outside the solar system.

    Boss said that if any of the billions of Earth-like worlds he believes exist in the Milky Way have liquid water, they are likely to be home to some type of life.

    "Now that's not saying that they're all going to be crawling with intelligent human beings or even dinosaurs," he said.

    "But I would suspect that the great majority of them at least will have some sort of primitive life, like bacteria or some of the multicellular creatures that populated our Earth for the first 3 billion years of its existence."

    Putting a number on alien worlds

    Other scientists are taking another approach: an analysis that suggests there could be hundreds, even thousands, of intelligent civilizations in the Milky Way.

    Researchers at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland constructed a computer model to create a synthetic galaxy with billions of stars and planets. They then studied how life evolved under various conditions in this virtual world, using a supercomputer to crunch the results.

    Galaxy Quest
    • The Milky Way is believed to be more than 13 billion years old.

    • It is just one of billions of galaxies in the universe.

    • The Milky Way has a circumference of about 250,000-300,000 light years.

    • It is about 100,000 light years in diameter.

    • There are three types of galaxies: ellipticals, spirals and irregulars.

    • The Milky Way is a large disk-shaped barred spiral galaxy. (A barred galaxy has a bar-shaped structure in its middle.)

    Source: Space.com In a paper published recently in the International Journal of Astrobiology, the researchers concluded that based on what they saw, at least 361 intelligent civilizations have emerged in the Milky Way since its creation, and as many as 38,000 may have formed.

    Duncan Forgan, a doctoral candidate at the university who led the study, said he was surprised by the hardiness of life on these other worlds.

    "The computer model takes into account what we refer to as resetting or extinction events. The classic example is the asteroid impact that may have wiped out the dinosaurs," Forgan said.

    "I half-expected these events to disallow the rise of intelligence, and yet civilizations seemed to flourish."

    Forgan readily admits the results are an educated guess at best, since there are still many unanswered questions about how life formed on Earth and only limited information about the 330 "exoplanets" -- those circling sun-like stars outside the solar system -- discovered so far.

    The first was confirmed in 1995 and the latest just this month when Europe's COROT space telescope spotted the smallest terrestrial exoplanet ever found. With a diameter less than twice the size of Earth, the planet orbits very close to its star and has temperatures up to 1,500° Celsius (more than 2,700° Fahrenheit), according to the European Space Agency. It may be rocky and covered in lava.

    Hunt for habitable planets

    NASA is hoping to find much more habitable worlds with the help of the upcoming Kepler mission. The spacecraft, set to be launched from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida next week, will search for Earth-size planets in our part of the galaxy.

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    Kepler contains a special telescope that will study 100,000 stars in the Cygnus-Lyra region of the Milky Way for more than three years. It will look for small dips in a star's brightness, which can mean an orbiting planet is passing in front it -- an event called a transit.

    "It's akin to measuring a flea as it creeps across the headlight of an automobile at night," said Kepler project manager James Fanson during a during a NASA news conference.

    The focus of the mission is finding planets in a star's habitable zone, an orbit that would ensure temperatures in which life could exist. Watch a NASA scientist explain the search for habitable planets »

    Boss, who serves on the Kepler Science Council, said scientists should know by 2013 -- the end of Kepler's mission -- whether life in the universe could be widespread.

    Finding intelligent life is a very different matter. For all the speculation about the possibility of other civilizations in the universe, the question remains: If the rise of life on Earth isn't unique and aliens are common, why haven't they shown up or contacted us? The contradiction was famously summed up by the physicist Enrico Fermi in 1950 in what became known as the Fermi paradox: "Where is everybody?"

    The answer may be the vastness of time and space, scientists explained.

    "Civilizations come and go," Boss said. "Chances are, if you do happen to find a planet which is going to have intelligent life, it's not going to be in [the same] phase of us. It may have formed a billion years ago, or maybe it's not going to form for another billion years."

    Even if intelligent civilizations did exist at the same time, they probably would be be separated by tens of thousands of light years, Forgan said. If aliens have just switched on their transmitter to communicate, it could take us hundreds of centuries to receive their message, he added.

    As for interstellar travel, the huge distances virtually rule out any extraterrestrial visitors. iReport.com: Share your view of the universe


    To illustrate, Boss said the fastest rockets available to us right now are those being used in NASA's New Horizons mission to Pluto. Even going at that rate of speed, it would take 100,000 years to get from Earth to the closest star outside the solar system, he added.

    "So when you think about that, maybe we shouldn't be worried about having interstellar air raids any time soon," Boss said.
     
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    so there might be some life in space,..

    It would be cool to actually find aliens.. in my life time
     
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    Haha, I know, kind of weird but cool at the same time
     
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    I have no doubt that there are probably millions of "earth-like" planets in our own galaxy and billions in the universe -- BUT, sadly, they are so far away that it really doesn't matter (so stop taking money from me to "study" it ;))
     
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    Until they find one where the women look like Swedish bikini models --only with 3 breasts --I'm not interested. Finding some living slime means nothing to me.

    Besides, if they do find a planet with life, Donald Trump will just build a gawdy condo complex there and ruin the place.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that there isnt life out there somewhere. Space is a big place you know.
     
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    of course there is life somewhere else! Why just us out all those MILLIONS of stars out there!!!!!!!!
     
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    Hey--today's living slime could easily become the 3-breasted Swedish bikini model of tomorrow.
     
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    Statistically speaking it has to be overflowing with life. I cant fathom it not.

    I would also think it very unlikely we are one of the more advanced lifeforms. We are probably smack dab 'average'.

    Of course with how vast it is its unlikely we will come across anything in our lifetimes.
     
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    there is a Possibility of life in our OWN solar system outside earth on europa and some other moons.
     
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    Or it maybe completely empty :eek:
     
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    Who ever wrote that is looking for headlines. Billions and billions of "things" had to line up just to get the building blocks of life to appear on Earth, let alone actual life forms. What BS. There should be other intelligent life forms out there but not a civilization for every star that acts as a sun to a planet, what foolishness the internet brings.
     
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    I'm sure the other "Earths" released a similar article this week too.
     
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    That is funny :D
     
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    Yeah but I bet they're smart enough to have a proper group overseeing their internet.
     
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    I'm saving up to buy a few sex slaves from Orion ;)

    If I was an Alien I think I'd b like Jabba the Hut, Not a fat slug but living in a fortress w a bunch of hot sexy slave girls LOL
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    I'll pay 400 quatloos for the green chick
     
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    You make the incorrect assumption that there is only one way to skin a cat.
     
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    I wonder if there is another FChat out there?
     
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    that's a really cool video. Makes us look so insignificant lol

    I wonder what is beyond the universe?.. somehow I don't believe its endless.. it is vast, but surely there some limits lay somewhere?..
     
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    The "edge" of the Universe is believed to be? What 130 billion, trillion kilometers or miles away, it's such a big number it doesn't matter if it's kms or miles.

    The Pinwheel Galaxy is so far away that using current technology to "send a message" there, would take 27 million years. In that time, the Earth may not even be here to receive the reply.
     
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    Expand on that. How can civilization be created other than starting at the absolute bottom floor of a gene pool? There isn't a way a "being" can just be alive with a Maserati, bank account and a woman in its bed. Sci-Fi writers don't even try that on for size because it just doesn't fit.
     
  25. Gershwin

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    The one component that is not mentioned is time. We all choose to believev that other "life" exists here and now. Fact is life could have existed on another planet within our solar system millions of years ago and we never knew of them and they of us. To even presume they live during our blink of existence is even further naive.


    But I am a believer in the statistics - no doubt it is out there.
     

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