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Gambling brings crime and corruption

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  1. Horsefly

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    I was having a lively debate today at work regarding the ongoing attempts through the years to bring casino gambling to my hometown of Hot Springs, Arkansas. Hot Springs was a full blown casino town back in the 1920s through the 1960s. The gambling was always illegal, but openly tolerated until Governor Rockefeller started to uphold the law when he was elected. The latest "pro gambling" drum beat is from the pro-lottery crowd that considers the lottery a pot of gold for tax revenue for the state.
    But from what I've seen about Vegas and Tunica and New Jersey, as soon as gambling comes into a town, the seedier aspects soon follow: hookers, scam artists, petty criminals, homeless bums, redneck losers trying to get rich quick, etc, etc.
    It's all kind of like a group of people voting to have a party at YOUR house. Of course everybody is all for it, because YOUR house will end up being trashed; not theirs. That's what I think gambling does to any individual town. It ends up being a great place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there unless you are somehow associated with the whirlwind of businesses that surround the gambling industry.

    And in general, when society starts relying on casinos and lotteries as their "bail out" for all government financial needs, what message are we sending: we can NOT figure out a way to finance government needs without a pair of dice or a roulette wheel? Sad.
     
  2. senna21

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    While I don't really agree with gambling, I'd say I'll agree with you on this one. Probably the only time we'll agree. ;) This just shows what happens when you listen to Republicans, cut taxes and increase pork-barrel spending. Something that the Democrats used to do without the tax cuts.

    It's time to roll back the tax cuts, pull up or sleeves and get to work. While I'll admit I don't LOVE paying taxes I do consider it a privilege. Part of the privilege of living in this wonderful country. It's not perfect. There are things that I believe need to be changed but, all things being said it's still one of the best places to live on this earth. People want to live here reap the benefits but not help pay for the infrastructure that goes into making it such a wonderful place. Part of that also I guess is having the right to gamble away your life’s savings. Sad but you take the good with the bad.
     
  3. MurcieMurcie

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    I am not a gambler, I am a winner:D:D:D

    I agree with your pov buddy, would'nt want gambling in my hometown either....That's what my trips to Vegas are for:)
     
  4. 134282

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    Not that i have an opinion on this situation either way, but Arlie, if a casino were built right in your town, it would create thousands of jobs and would boost the economy of all the other local places by increasing business via more people via a constant flow of people into and through the town BECAUSE OF the casino... This would improve the economic stature of your area greatly - whether it needs it or not - and life would be good... Prices for a lot of stuff would undoubtedly come down, maybe you could even get a better-paying job out of the whole deal... Nothing says economic growth like "big business"... But i know, i know, behind that big business is a fat cat for whom you seethe and lie awake at night thinking about... :)
     
  5. Texas Forever

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    Damn, it must be a full moon. I agree with Horsey. Memo to self - check out window to see if world coming to an end. :)


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  6. Texas Forever

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    Actually, no. Yes, gambling brings in dollars to your town. Sadly, they don't stay very long. There has been study after study that shows that the economic benefits of gambling goes largely to the large casino operators and politicians. Imagine that.

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  7. Horsefly

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    That's just what I was thinking. Sure, if one is unemployed and could get an entry level job at a casino, hotel, or restaurant, then that would be a good thing. But are those type of jobs REALLY jobs in the true sense? In other words, can anybody move to a town, take one of those jobs, and get married, raise a few kids, and live happily ever after? Not very likely. Like you said, the BIG profits simply go right into the pockets of the casino owners who live.........somewhere else.
     
  8. Gilles27

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    The other thing to consider is, who will be gambling (and losing) there? With all due respect to Hot Springs, it won't all of a sudden turn into Vegas and start attracting gamblers from all over the world/country. The bulk of the casino's revenue will be generated by localized gamblers. A lot of the money taken in will be money that isn't spent at other local establishments.
     
  9. Horsefly

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    FWIW, back in the 1950s, the gambling establishments of Hot Springs took in more money than Las Vegas according to those in the know. But it would never become that today. As for money taken IN by potential casinos, you are correct. That was the crucial point of my debate today. The money taken IN by the casinos HAS to come from SOMEWHERE. And that SOMEWHERE is from the pockets of the LOSERS!!! It may be Joe Blackjack's right to gamble away his paycheck, but what about his wife and kids? Will Joe's wife turn to government food stamps because Joe is "rollin' them bones" and turning his paycheck into free complimentary shrimp cocktails for the high rollers? It ain't all bright lights and showgirls. Sometimes the walk home is lonely and cold. Like the old joke about Vegas:

    Did you hear about the guy who drove a $30,000 Cadillac to Vegas and came home in an $80,000 bus?
     
  10. boffin218

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    The better example for Hot Springs is Atlantic City, NJ. And, well, it's not exactly an advertisement for renovation by casino. In fact, they charter busses here in Philadelphia to visit casinos in Connecticut despite the fact that we're only 45 minutes from AC and closer to 4 hours from the Mohegan Sun.
     
  11. MarkPDX

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    Hot Springs actually seems like a nice small town that has some tourist appeal as it is. I would guess that it would be a little less of a nice small town with a bunch of casinos......
     
  12. indaville

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    Did you know that tax revenue for the gov. is up to all time highs as a result of the tax cuts? If you increase taxes there is less money in the economy to create growth.
     
  13. senna21

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    Sure. And there's no housing bubble. Trickle down economics doesn't work. If it were working there wouldn’t be a huge deficit since we’re swimming in increased tax revenue. The booming economy of the last few years isn’t due to tax rebates it’s due to interest rates that (even by Mr. Greenspan’s admission of late) were set too low leading to people borrowing against their new found wealth in their increasing home value. Sooner or later as home values begin to slow, flatten and recede, as they’ve begun to here in LA, this country could be in a world of financial hurt.

    But, admittedly maybe I shouldn't have posted my first response like that. It really should be in P&R.
     
  14. Buffarino

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    There's a BIG difference between a lottery and casino gambling. I don't really want casino gambling very close to me, but Colorado has had a Lotto for several years now, with no ill effects that i can see.
     
  15. TestShoot

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    Recently the city of Hawiian Gardens CA put up a card casino. The city before had plenty of gang violence, and recently a cop was gunned down investigating a robbery. The overall petty crime has gone up (pick pockets, muggings) but auto theft has gone down. Murders are steady before and after. The Taco Bell across the street has BULLET PROOF GLASS at the drive through. Sign of the times. Just saying... what once was 'hit me' is now 'duck and cover'
     
  16. Gilles27

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    True, sad, but most importantly...Funny! I think one of the problems is the gambling business is getting over-saturated. It's kind of a sad indictment when a town turns to gambling as a solution.
     
  17. indaville

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    Well the tax cuts are not to blame for the huge deficit's, the over spending is to blame. I am neither a democrat or a replublican so I think we can cover this issue in this forum. If we were to raise taxes right now maybe the deficits would be lowered? But I think it would be spent on the other projects that have been cut do to the wars/hurricanes. Just think about where the economy would be right now if consumers were not spending at the rate that we are. There is a housing bubble in parts of the country, but not everywhere.
     
  18. vvvmd

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    You can't use laws to control morality. Things like alcohol abuse, drug abuse prostitution and gambling will go on whether they are legal or not. This country passed a constitutional amendment that outlawed alcohol. The only thing that happened is that Al Capone and organized crime became rich and powerful. Countries in Europe that have legalized prostitution in certain ares have found that all sorts of crime statistics improved afterwards. I think it is better to legalize all this vice stuff control it and tax it. In the long run things will be better off
     
  19. Horsefly

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    Bit of trivia: Elliot Ness once met Al Capone face to face on the sidewalk in Hot Springs, Arkansas. In the 1930s, Hot Springs was a bizarre vacation spot for all sorts of gansters, celebrities, and hooligans. It was kind of an honor system; don't start trouble in Hot Springs and everybody will get along while on vacation.
     
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  21. Horsefly

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    Negative. I thought that through before I made the first posting. A casino is not a government building. Neither is it a church. No political parties are involved in the debate. No candidates. It is a civic issue.
     
  22. UroTrash

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    Umm... OK.
     

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