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  1. chuckd

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    I figured if anybody out there knew about doing this, it'd be the guys here!

    What might be the regulations governing a gas pump at your house? Locally (40 miles away), I can buy 101 octane racing fuel, and all of our cars really love the stuff. However, seems kinda stupid wasting 80 miles just to get the gas I want. That times 4 cars, and we're driving all over the place just to fill up. What a waste!

    Now then, if I could have 500 gallons delivered to my own pump periodically at home, then that'd be awesome!

    Anybody here done this, or looked into it?

    Thanks for any advice.

    Chuck
     
  2. betelgeuse

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    It would be far to costly to do that. Do you have an airport around? I used to buy aviation fuel for my boat. 100 octane IIRC.
     
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  5. chuckd

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    We only put the 101 octane in the exotics. Of course we have regular 91/89/87 octane gas nearby.

    It's simply convenience. Of course it'd be expensive, isn't all of this ridiculously expensive to begin with?

    I'm curious if it's even legal for me to do it at all.
     
  6. 410SA

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    In Phoenix there are a couple of fuel distributors who will deliver racing fuel in 55 galllon drums. All you need is a hand cranked (or electric) siphon pump to transfer the fuel to the cars. You can move the drums around on a dolly as well. 10 drums would give you plenty of gas and would also make it worthwhile for the distributor to deiver to you.

    I'm sure that there are fuel distributors everywhere who offer this kind of service. Check with local race teams or racetrack operators for referrals.
     
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    You mean there's automobiles in Oklahoma? I figured you guys still rode horse buggies.
     
  9. smg2

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    in CA the legal limit is 55gal storage, not to mention gas does tend to go stale in a few months time. also here I can not transport more than 55gal at a time either. I also looked into large on site storage but the law wouldn't allow it, not that I'm telling johnny law what I do.
     
  10. cessnav8or

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    I have a 300 Gallen tank and electric pump for Farm Diesel (Dyed Red don't have to pay fuel taxes so it is illegal to run in road vehicles) here in KY. I have checked with a friend of mine that is a Cheveron Distributor. He says I can buy an Identical tank and fill it with Gasoline if I want. Although there isn't a farm gasoline you have to pay taxes on gasoline so you can use it to fill up cars too.
     
  11. Meister

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    An above ground 500 gallon tank on a stand isn't that expensive. Gravity feed, no electric needed etc.

    We used to have an inground with a pump, but it started to leak. Wouldn't want to know the current codes/issues with doing another.

    Go with the above ground.
     
  12. DC333

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    if you go with above ground you also need a little "troft" underneath to catch the gas incase any leaks
     
  13. nathandarby67

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    How often in KY have people been stopped, and the diesel in their trucks tested to see if it is red or not? Also, what if it is a farm truck that is used some on the farm, and then some in town. Or what if you use it in a farm to run to town to the co-op on farm business?

    I still like the idea of setting up a home bio-diesel contraption. I've heard of several people who did this.
     
  14. SRT Mike

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    If it's just for the convenience of not having to go far afield to get race gas, do what 410SA said and get it by the drum. I know around here there are several places that will sell 101 or higher by the drum. You pay a delivery charge, but if you buy a few drums, you get free delivery. You also pay a deposit on the drums so you get $$ back the next time the guy drops off more (and takes the old ones back). There are probably laws on how much gas you are allowed to store, but you could either go get it and keep mum about it, or look into what you're technically allowed to store yourself - maybe its a non-issue. You may also have a business (maybe a home business) that would allow you to store a higher amount.

    People say it goes stale, but I think this is a hugely overblown issue. If you store it right (which basically just means keeping it closed when not being used) then it should last quite a while.

    I wouldn't expect to save much over the cost at the pump though. It sounds like your idea is convenience based rather than cost based but in my experience buying full drums, you pretty much take the pump price and multiply it by the # of gallons :)

    Go to www.mcmaster.com. They sell drum trollies (rolling bases) as well as various types of carts (like 2-wheelers) and stands that allow the drum to be flipped on its side easily. They also sell differnet kinds of screw-in pumps... hand operated, bulb, electric, etc. You definitely want a pump and dolly at a minimum to prevent getting gas everywhere when you do this.
     
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  17. ^@#&

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    do you actually think that is from a gas pump explosion?
     
  18. RacerX_GTO

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    I'll most likely get grilled for giving it away(no pun intended)


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    *ahem*(arizona crater)


    all in good humor, of course.
     
  19. scottyd

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    We have a both gas and diesel pumps at our farm, however i do live in Canada and the law may be totally different up here. We have a 100 gallon gas tank and it feeds three trucks and typically lasts about 1 month, depends on the time of year. We don't get premium fuel, since we don't need it, but I do know a couple of people that do get premium delivered to them in bulk. SRT Mike you do save money thats for sure on just buying the fuel, but for us we get it to save time, and our local gas station is only 5 miles away. If you have four cars and drive 80 miles to get fuel I would for sure get your own gas tank.

    Scotty
     
  20. Seth

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    there must be a way, every ranch here in texas i can think of has its own in ground fuel filler things, some say for ranch/off-road use only, others dont say anything, at ours we have 2 above ground 500 gallon tanks, one diesel other unleaded, and once a month or twice a month depending on the year one of those "mini" semis comes and fills them up, the truck says Exxon on it, but im pretty sure we contract it through a company who in turn sub-contract it through other companys, so far ive seen an exxon, shell, BP, and some un-named truck fill them up.

    however ranches out in the middle of nowhere might have a little less laws regarding massive fuel tanks than a sub-division or something similar
     
  21. BigTex

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    A rural setting would be easier, local codes for residential property would take a dim view of larger quantities......check with your local Building Inspection Department.

    My project here just put 60,000 gallons underground but all kinds of EPA mandated leak detection is also there.....

    Now we are putting in the 400# batteries.........;)

    HUNDREDS of them!
     
  22. chuckd

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    I'm on about 29 acres, still residential, but there's farms all around here. What governmental agency should I talk to?
     
  23. 62 250 GTO

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    You could always buy an old water truck, swap tanks and whamo! Instant at home fuel. Who says the tank has to be in the ground? Who says you have to pay for delivery?

    Step One: Find out what it takes to get a license for transporting fuel.

    Step two: Tell whoever asks the question "why", that you are a huge fan of farming and cultivating land. Your rigs need fuel just like everyone else.

    It's not positively going to work but I'm thinking about trying it just for fun.
     
  24. mikesufka

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    I put a 300 gallon tank at my lake home a year ago. It is used to fill up my boat. I think it cost me about $350 to put the tank in with 150 feet of hose. There is no delivery charge and gas costs me a cent or two less than the pumps when I buy premium. I wasn't trying to get some huge deal on the gas, I just didn't want to pay the $1.00 premium per gallon that it costs when you buy gas on the lake.

    According to my "gas guy", there are no restrictions with 300 gallon tanks or less. I have no permit, license, etc... The tank sits outside and is locked up. I'm on a hill, so it runs with gravity just fine. Whenever I want gas, I call the "gas guy" and he delivers within a day or two. Pretty slick.

    Mike Sufka
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  25. 62 250 GTO

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    That's pretty cool.
     

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